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Offline SAS_KID

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« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2006, 12:56:07 AM »
what i love when flying B26's is when if a fighter manages to get by me on their first pass and they go under me to extend. And Continue to fly level i just nose down a bit aim and BLAM! I get my kill.:D :lol
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What utter and compete BS, quite frankly I should kick you off this bbs for this post.

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« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2006, 01:57:45 AM »
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it's not like there are tape measures built into AH.


....fortunately for you :lol :t
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« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2006, 03:32:15 AM »
I'd like to have the single 20mm MG FF option to JU88.

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« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2006, 10:18:22 AM »
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....fortunately for you :lol :t
is that your best attempt at zinging me back :lol :p
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« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2006, 11:41:46 AM »
I guess "flying" LW for years beat the E-fighting style into me so hard that whenever I am in a plane that has better vertical performance than the one I'm fighting I'll use it.  

None of those bombers has the power to hold the nose up to match any fighter in the game, which is why they are easy meat.  The problem is most people in the game don't realize that.
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2006, 11:57:06 AM »
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is that your best attempt at zinging me back :lol :p


zinging you back?
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2006, 12:18:41 PM »
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zinging you back?
after you not replying to the revor comment i wasn't sure what you were up to... waiting to strike i thought :lol
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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2006, 12:22:01 PM »
oh ok, didnt really have a comeback - i dont even know who revor is apart from some tard that got banned.
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« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2006, 12:34:04 PM »
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oh ok, didnt really have a comeback - i dont even know who revor is apart from some tard that got banned.
i didn't either here :rofl :aok
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« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2006, 12:55:03 PM »
Oh I almost forgot 1 of the best runs I had.  I was in a single JU-88 and 2 YAK-9U's came after me.. They must have been noobs or I am actually that damn good but I managed to make one auger into the water and shot the other down with that tiny nose gun lol :rofl. Went back and landed laughing all the way.
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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2006, 07:55:11 PM »
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you know I gotta ask, how do you accurately measure the turn radius? it's not like there are tape measures built into AH.


It's a function of speed, time and distance. For example, if it takes you 53.45 seconds to make three complete circles and your average speed is 94  mph, you can calculate average turn radius and rate. Rate is easy. Simply multiply 360 x 3 / time in seconds. In the case of the TBM, this is 1080/53.45, or 20.2 degrees per second.

Radius is more complex, but I'll make it as simple as possible.

mph / 60 x 88 (which is 5280/60) = feet per second (FPS).

FPS x time = total distance traveled in three circles / 3 = circumference of one circle.

circumference / Pi (3.14) =  diameter of circle. (note that rounding off Pi as I did will introduce a very minor error)

Dia / 2 = radius of circle.

So, for the TBM it takes 53.45 seconds to fly 3 circles at an average speed of 94 mph. Thus, 94 / 60 x 88 = 137.866 fps. 137.866 x 53.45 = 7368.9733 feet traveled / 3 = a circumference of 2,456.324 feet / 3.14 = 782.269 feet circle diameter / by 2 = 391.11 feet average turn radius.

Accurate data requires exceptional attention to maintaining speed and altitude. Test results will often vary from tester to tester, but the lowest figures are generally the most accurate IF the test methodology is carefully adhered to. Most of us who do this testing do at least three tests and average the results.

We simply provide data that allows pilots to gauge performance of each aircraft. How close a pilot can come to that performance in combat is wildly variable from individual to individual, as one would expect.

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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2006, 08:10:14 PM »
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I guess "flying" LW for years beat the E-fighting style into me so hard that whenever I am in a plane that has better vertical performance than the one I'm fighting I'll use it.  

None of those bombers has the power to hold the nose up to match any fighter in the game, which is why they are easy meat.  The problem is most people in the game don't realize that.


Urchin makes an excellent point.

The reason guys are successful flying planes like the SBD and TBM is that the enemy gets sucked into the trap of maneuvering inside the bomber's flight envelope. Very bad mistake.. Stay reasonably fast, fight up hill and the bombers will quickly have to go on the defensive and, unless the pilot is exceptional, will eventually get shot down.

Reynolds was sucked into fighting inside the TBM's maneuver envelope. I'm sure he'll avoid that in the future.. Well, let's hope so.  ;)

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2006, 10:09:37 PM »
WW,

I'll have to try the SBD again and see if I can keep it as fast as you. Do you mind if I add your TBM figures to the next version of the list I publish?

Your post reminds me of how much more interesting the single engine bombers could be if we had the SB2C-5. With two 20 mm cannon and the ability to carry two dual 50 cal gun pods under the wings, we'd have a bomber with a heck of lot of fighting firepower.
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« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2006, 03:07:49 AM »
But the Helldiver was a pig....
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« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2006, 10:41:02 AM »
B7A2 'Grace' had two 20mm cannons, same kind as the N1K2-J or A6M5b, and it was definately not a pig.
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