Author Topic: How To Beat a Texas Speeding Ticket (Read 2025 times)

rpm · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2006, 12:40:24 AM »

Did you ask to crossexamine the witness?

Jackal1 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2006, 10:11:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Edbert1
What county is that? The "Austin" reference should have said Travis County to be more accurate, I live in hang-em-high (Williamson) County myself.

LOL Hang-em high. I like that.

I was speaking of the great county of Hunt. Great people and a realy great area, but county law enforcement is a joke.
I call it Mafia with a badge.

lukster · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2006, 10:18:39 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
I have personally used this in Wise, Denton, Tarrant, Dallas and Navarro counties. I have a CDL and am not eligable for driving school or deferred adjudication by state law. If the JP finds me guilty, I simply ask for an appeal bond and kick it up to a higher court.

You either drive too fast or are very unlucky. I do 10-15 mph over the posted limit on the highway almost all of the time and my last speeding ticket was 1981. When you see brakelights on the cars ahead, slow down.

BigGun · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2006, 10:23:22 AM »

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Originally posted by rpm
I have personally used this in Wise, Denton, Tarrant, Dallas and Navarro counties. I have a CDL and am not eligable for driving school or deferred adjudication by state law. If the JP finds me guilty, I simply ask for an appeal bond and kick it up to a higher court.

Now how much time are you saving by speeding? Sounds like an a lot of time & money spent trying to constantly get out of speeding tickets. If one was wise, maybe would slow down to safe on time & money.

Sikboy · « **Reply #19 on:** August 18, 2006, 10:30:04 AM »

rpm, do you demand a jury? I would.

So there I was in Collin County, at the Muni court over in Princeton. This dude is fighting a speeding ticket. It was funny, because he was doing an awesome job on cross with the Police officer. Now, before I continue, I want to give a shout out to the fine speedwatchers in Princeton. I genueinly like the officer who was getting worked over. So the officer was testifying that it was daytime, and there were no other cars on the road, when the ticket shows that it was 8:30 pm in late October on a Friday night, on busy highway. Essentially, the Officer had no recollection of the events (and really, why would he, by the time this made it to court it was over a year ago). The ticket also happened to be issued during the longest lapse in training that the officer had on the use of the radar unit. I mean, whatever, this guy was probably speeding but had built a decent case, and I thought he was going to walk for sure.

Then he did it. He said to the judge:

Speed Racer: "I would like to enter this into evidence"
Judge Judy: "What is it?"
Speed Racer: "It's a copy of a repair bill. My speedometer was malfunctioning at the time the ticket was issued"
Prosecutor: "Wait, so you don't know how fast you were going"
Speed Racer: "No, my speedometer wasn't working"
Prosecutor: "Do you know what a strict liability crime is?"
Speed Racer: "No"
Prosecutor: "That means that there is no intent element to the crime. If you are speeding, you are guilty regardless of the reason."
Speed Racer: "Oh"
Prosecutor: "Do you want to change your plea to guilty, and take defensive driving?"
Speed Racer: "Um. No"
Judge Judy: "Guilty"

Now that I look back though, he was wearing a "Pepsi" Polo shirt, so I bet he has a CDL too, and couldn't take DD.

Anyhow, he went from the top to the bottom in about 30 seconds.

-Sik

Edbert1 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 18, 2006, 11:10:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Jackal1
LOL Hang-em high. I like that.

Williamson county is the one which recently made national news for sentencing a man to life in prison with no parole for DWI. The county does have one of the lowest rates per capita of violent crime in the entire nation though. I've lived there (here?) for 16 years, still haven't completely decided if I like it that way or not. But since I've never had a run-in with local LEOs of any kind, and have kids, I'm leaning towards liking it. If they start doing random checkpoints or acting like the airport screeners I'll take issue though.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #21 on:** August 18, 2006, 11:30:08 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
In addition, CVC 22349 pretty much trumps everything else. If you exceed 65 MPH (and it's not posted at 70), you're probably going to be hit with a violation of maximum speed law regardless of the conditions.

22350 is the 'catch all' speeding cite in Ca, it covers 22394 as well as PF Speed. I'd say 90% of the speeding cites I wrote were 22350 just because it was easier. Although 22349 is a favorite of the highway trolling CHP... just depends on who stops you & where.

22350 cvc - No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed
greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather,
visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the
highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of
persons or property.

Sandman · « **Reply #22 on:** August 18, 2006, 01:28:01 PM »

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Originally posted by x0847Marine
22350 is the 'catch all' speeding cite in Ca, it covers 22394 as well as PF Speed. I'd say 90% of the speeding cites I wrote were 22350 just because it was easier. Although 22349 is a favorite of the highway trolling CHP... just depends on who stops you & where.

22350 cvc - No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed
greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather,
visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the
highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of
persons or property.

Exactly... it's RPM's position that one can argue reason and prudence. I just didn't see an argument that could defeat 22349. Obviously, you're the expert here. My information is what I've gleaned from my brother. He's a sheriff's deputy in Stanislaus County, but he worked PD for a decade or so before that.

x0847Marine · « **Reply #23 on:** August 18, 2006, 02:08:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman
Exactly... it's RPM's position that one can argue reason and prudence. I just didn't see an argument that could defeat 22349. Obviously, you're the expert here. My information is what I've gleaned from my brother. He's a sheriff's deputy in Stanislaus County, but he worked PD for a decade or so before that.

What you wrote was not wrong, 22349 is more specific, and accurate to your point.

I was trained that "all" excessive speed citations fall under 22350, because thats what my T/O said... and after 100's of 22350cvc cites, there was no issue.

Then, after a few super exciting traffic related classes, I found there was an umbrella of more specific chicken-spackle vehicle codes that also apply... some cops enjoy citing using the more specific codes because they carry different fines. For example 22350VC doesnt cover school zones specifically.. theres another code that does... which is much more expensive.

So your bro is 100% correct...

Slash27 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 18, 2006, 04:22:17 PM »

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Originally posted by BigGun
Now how much time are you saving by speeding? Sounds like an a lot of time & money spent trying to constantly get out of speeding tickets. If one was wise, maybe would slow down to safe on time & money.

You have never driven on I-35W have you?

rpm · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2006, 11:31:41 PM »

I used to drive an 18 wheeler hauling time sensitive material, asphault. I had 45 minutes before it started to set-up and became useless. So, yeah, I lead footed it quite a bit.

Nowadays, I rarely drive faster than I need. But, there is a speed trap leaving my town that has never been enforced until the county sent Barney Fife over to protect us. I've recieved 4 tickets from him for 55/45 in the exact same spot over the last year and beat 'em all.

I think he's tired of pulling me over now. I just need to get the state to move that speed limit sign to where it ought to be posted.

kamilyun · « **Reply #26 on:** August 18, 2006, 11:41:32 PM »

I drive Interstate 280 from SF to work everyday.

I think the CHP out in those parts hand out tickets to people who AREN'T breaking the speed limit. Obstructing the flow of traffic...

JTs · « **Reply #27 on:** August 19, 2006, 11:01:46 AM »

way back in 1978 i got caught on I-10 just east of Fort Stockton at 107 mph. it cost me $5.00 for wasting energy. oh for the good old days.

-Concho- · « **Reply #28 on:** August 19, 2006, 11:15:30 AM »

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Originally posted by JTs
way back in 1978 i got caught on I-10 just east of Fort Stockton at 107 mph. it cost me $5.00 for wasting energy. oh for the good old days.

I worked that stretch of highway between Ft Stockton and Sonora for 5 years.

rogwar · « **Reply #29 on:** August 19, 2006, 02:09:23 PM »

rpm,

Got a ticket yesterday for running a stop sign in Bedford. I did not come to a complete 100% stop nor did I do a roll through either. I travel a lot so I don't have much time to pursue.

My last tickets, which were some time ago, I just took to Jim Lollar (attorney), paid him $40 and about 2 to 3 months later got a letter saying I needed to pay a settlement/fine of X amount of dollars. That was about $40 less than the typical fine, 30 days probabtion in Bedford, and it would not go on my record.

A lot of other folks I know in DFW do this as well. However, if you have a CDL it makes such a lot more complicated.

Apparently this Jim Lollar just gathers up a bunch of tickets for a particular city, i.e. Hurst, and then negotiates a group settlement or something like that.

Now I could go down to the courthouse on my own and do deffered adjudication but the probabtion is like 90 days.