Author Topic: P62, Bish pulled off what Rooks could not (Read 5978 times)

Zazen13 · « **Reply #120 on:** August 21, 2006, 06:30:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
While that is true you can get a fleet close enough on most any base, the difference here is, this fleet spawns within range to put the LVTs on dry land. This happens at no other base I am aware of, although there could be more. Respawning the CV so close is what qualifies it as a map bug.

Exactly, this is the only base that has ever been a problem.

Zazen

Zazen13 · « **Reply #121 on:** August 21, 2006, 06:41:41 PM »

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Originally posted by Donzo

And another thing, did your gag order on discussing this incident expire after one year?

Obviously!

Zazen

thndregg · « **Reply #122 on:** August 21, 2006, 06:57:00 PM »

"Known Bug" this. "Known bug" that. By who's official definition? Not one person so far to my knowledge has asked the maker of this game if it IS or IS NOT a bug. This is still an argument based on conjecture. Where is the tangible evidence that this is an oversight by HTC? Or will Hitech eventually state this is not a bug, if he says anyithing at all? One wonders where this infinite debate will turn pending a response.

ASK HTC.

Grits · « **Reply #123 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:03:45 PM »

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Originally posted by thndregg
"Known Bug" this. "Known bug" that.

So you dont think its a bug? If it is not, why dont all CVs respawn close enough to their home port to put LVTs on dry land?

Donzo · « **Reply #124 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:16:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Zazen used a function of the game HT put there on purpose to move the CV...

Do you think that HT's purpose for allowing people to change sides was to allow them to move another team's CV?

Wow.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #125 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:19:38 PM »

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Originally posted by thndregg
"Known Bug" this. "Known bug" that. By who's official definition? Not one person so far to my knowledge has asked the maker of this game if it IS or IS NOT a bug. This is still an argument based on conjecture. Where is the tangible evidence that this is an oversight by HTC? Or will Hitech eventually state this is not a bug, if he says anyithing at all? One wonders where this infinite debate will turn pending a response.

ASK HTC.

If HTC admits publicly this is a bug, then they put themselves into a position of having to invest the programming/re-mapping time to fix it to maintain product integrity, which is almost certainly not worth the effort and most probably alot more complicated than we might guess.

This issue has in 2 years only reared its ugly head twice and only at this one particular base which is rarely fought over on that map. I think an intelligent person can deduce from HTC's reaction, or more aptly, non-reaction to my solution a year ago what their feelings are on the subject of the P62 exploit. The community troublshooting a solution by whatever means on the rare occassion it occurs is doing the job evidentally as far as HTC is concerned...

Zazen

thndregg · « **Reply #126 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:22:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
So you dont think its a bug? If it is not, why dont all CVs respawn close enough to their home port to put LVTs on dry land?

We could think this thing to death. I still say, GO TO THE SOURCE OF THE PROGRAMMING. I will not theorize.

Zazen13 · « **Reply #127 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:24:23 PM »

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Originally posted by thndregg
We could think this thing to death. I still say, GO TO THE SOURCE OF THE PROGRAMMING. I will not theorize.

You think HiTech or Pyro are not aware of this or do not read the boards? They are choosing not to get involved, which is their subtle way of saying, "Deal with it guys, it rarely happens, we know it's broke, but it ain't worth pushing other projects back to fix"...So deal with it we will, in the most expedient manner available, be that 2 hour tank drives or a 2 minute trip to the offending country to pull the exploiting CV 300 yards away from the beach....

Zazen

Donzo · « **Reply #128 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:26:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Grits
Zazen switching sides (an intentional component of the game) is cheating, but exploiting a known bug in the map is not? Please explain, I want to hear this. And yes, I do believe that if the Bish had a person with the rank to move that CV they would have, for you to deny that is downright silly at best, disingenuous at worst.

The port is of no value. The CV is of value if it is moved out to attack another base. I would be all for letting the port be and attacking it after the CV has left. If the other team decides to let it sit there, so be it. Doing so is not a threat because the CV is worthless sitting at the port.

Another thing to point out about last year's incident. The rooks had buff's up constantly and were sinking the CV right after it spawned. Why would we move the fleet? Just so the rooks could re-take the base? We would have move the CV had we not been attacked constantly. We did what we had to do, Zazen did what he WANTED to do. There is a difference.

Donzo · « **Reply #129 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:30:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Zazen13
The community troublshooting a solution by whatever means on the rare occassion it occurs is doing the job evidentally as far as HTC is concerned...

Zazen

All this BS!

You have yet to tell us why it was so important for you to move the CV.

What was the threat of the Bish having a port and CV surrounded by rook bases?

Why was it SOOOOO important to move that CV?

You come off like you did some noble thing. For what reason?

Zazen13 · « **Reply #130 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:33:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Donzo
The port is of no value. The CV is of value if it is moved out to attack another base. I would be all for letting the port be and attacking it after the CV has left. If the other team decides to let it sit there, so be it. Doing so is not a threat because the CV is worthless sitting at the port.

Another thing to point out about last year's incident. The rooks had buff's up constantly and were sinking the CV right after it spawned. Why would we move the fleet? Just so the rooks could re-take the base? We would have move the CV had we not been attacked constantly. We did what we had to do, Zazen did what he WANTED to do. There is a difference.

First off there's 2 bases within a sector of P62, the CV left there is usefull. Secondly, a year ago Bish were making no attempts to move the CV from the port...ever, under direct attack or not. When I took control of the CV it was human set in a tight patrol as close to the port as the interface allowed. Bish were not ever going to move the CV, and the CV was serving as a launching point to strike the Rook base 1 sector to the south. When I did move the CV, which took about 30 seconds the entire Bish nation freaked out realizing the exploit was over, they all went apechit.

I did what was necessary to remove the exploit. Driving a GV for 2 hours to spawncamp lvt's never occurred to me, but had it occurred to me I still would have chosen the far more expedient method of simply pulling the CV 300 yards away from the port to prevent exploit.

Had I had the rank yesterday on Rooks I would have done the exact same thing, even though it was my own team abusing the exploit. Had I out-ranked a high Bish player who came Rooks to pull the CV away from the port a bit I would have done nothing to stop him from doing so...Simply put, moving the CV is just the most intelligent and expedient way to solve this particular and incredibly rare problem when it occurs.

Zazen

thndregg · « **Reply #131 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:43:00 PM »

Thank God it's not a game of tennis. Someone would serve the ball to me, run over to my end of the court, and shove me aside.

SuperDud · « **Reply #132 on:** August 21, 2006, 08:31:50 PM »

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Originally posted by thndregg
Thank God it's not a game of tennis. Someone would serve the ball to me, run over to my end of the court, and shove me aside.

I'd actually watch that! Maybe someone should implement that!

Howitzer · « **Reply #133 on:** August 21, 2006, 09:20:27 PM »

This is fantastic, you all are arguing about something happened over a year ago.

First things first, Zazen didn't act alone, and it wasn't his idea, a bunch of us egged him on and convinced him to do it. Secondly, everything he did was in the rules of the game, you can change sides once within a certain period of time and you can do whatever you want after you change sides, including moving the CV. He didn't take away any air power and he didn't stop the airborne defense, he just stopped the resupply. The rooks still had to take the base.

Third, this game is exactly like every XBOX, playstation, commodore64 or atari game ever made. It isn't a culture and it isn't a reflection on your true life persona, its simply a hobby you pay just under 15 bucks a month for. If you think it is a culture, quit paying the 15 bucks, and all of your culture will be gone. This works just like every online community. If you want to claim you are a nazi prostitute that was abducted by aliens and forced to join a weight loss program, you can, and it doesn't change who you are.

Honor and ethics aren't coded into the game, so any reference to them and this game has to be completely fabricated by your version of this online reality.

BTW, Shamus, that pregant cat thing was hilarious!

thndregg · « **Reply #134 on:** August 21, 2006, 09:42:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Howitzer
Honor and ethics aren't coded into the game,

You're absolutely right. They are hopefully supplied by players of any game.