American cars vs. Euro cars

[Vulcan]

LOL... yeah right.

Which country makes BMWs now (3 series)? Could it be... Vietnam??? Some of the US motor companies rebadge/remanufacture Japanese/Korea stuff... look at Isuzu - sold in the US as Chevy/Honda, and Australia/NZ as Holden!

90% of jap cars V8s, and neither are 90% of other cars (duh!).

All of your complaints are present in cars right around the world. Look at the small mercedes/bmw/volvo models, all the same issues as the jap hatches, just twice the price.

I drive a Korean wagon, its got legroom headroom better than any Ford. Its tough, its big, its got a proper spare tyre. No problems either, and lots of features.

Dude... you might wanna check whats being exported these days before you open your mouth first. Just because you don't have a "I'm a moron" sticker on your back doesn't mean you aren't one.

 

Originally posted by J_A_B:
No American car?    Well then buy something made in Germany, preferably a Mercedes.  German cars aren't half bad, although they're a bit pricey.  


Don't buy anything made in Japan or Korea, they're all overpriced crap.  Buying a Japanese car is like slapping a "I'm a moron" label on your back.  They might last a long time, but they have a massive list of bad things about them:  

No V-8 available on 90% of them, front wheel drive (front drive sucks ass), no trunkspace, crappy fake spare tire, no headroom, no legroom, rear seat is a joke, plus the tiny Japanese cars crumple badly in accidents.  If that wasn't bad enough, they're badly overpriced for what you get, and replacement parts are also disgustingly expensive.

If you want to buy a Japanese or Korean car, just buy a lawnmower and save yourself some money.

Or, be a smart shopper and buy a good solid Crown Victoria.  If they're good enough for the police, then you can be damn sure they're good enough for your needs.  You'll get twice the car for the same price as a well-equipped Camry or Accord.  My girlfriend just bought a new Grand Marquis (same thing as Crown Vic) for well under 19,000.   Crown Vic/Grand Marquis is unquestionably the best car value on the planet.

Or buy a Cadillac and be happy forever.  Caddys kick the snot out of anything anyone else makes (outside a Bently or Rolls-Royce or something), plus they're bigger.

J_A_B

[Fastbikkel]

J_A_B
I can see that you are american, djeez how simple you think.

Later,

JG5FaBi.

[Fastbikkel]

I got a Renault clio 1.6 litre 16V.
I paid 35.000 Dutch bucks for it.

It may be a bit expensive but it has a lot of things.
Airco, 4 airbags (2 for me and pass.) good seats (sport)
It easily does 215 Km/H.

I love it when people see me standing next to them at the trafficlight thinking they can outrun me at the green light. LOL wrong!

It is a small car, something like a VW golf, but is faster than a Golf in its same class.
Also faster than a lot of VW corrado's. yeah!

Renault is my brand at this moment. And talking about front or rear wheel drive. What the hell, it has to do with different factors what is better.


Greetings,

JG5FaBi.

[J_A_B]

Vulcan--

You're absolutely right--most American cars are also small, non V-8 and overpriced.  This means that most American cars are also crap, just like their Japanese and Korean counterparts.  But at least the American and German companies offer something that ISN'T crap, unlike the Japanese companies.  

And unlike a Mercedes, most people can actually afford a decent American-made car.

Which model do you have?  I have yet to see any Korean vehicle that's bigger than a Crown Victoria; most Korean models aren't even as big as a crappy small Ford Taurus (god how do thay call those "midsize"?).  Perhaps you've never been inside an actual large car?

FaBi--

Yep I'm American.  But even if I wasn't, I'd know what is and isn't a good value, and in the USA the imported Japanese and Korean makes are NOT good values.  If, say, a Honda Accord ran about $6,000 less than it does, maybe I'd think it over.

You drive a Renault?  I've never seen one; can you post a pic of it?  


J_A_B
 

[Gh0stFT]

ok here's what i drove the last years.
I bought it 93/94 for approx 42000.- German Marks (new)
And sold it not long ago for 12000.-German Marks  
what a lost. Last time i bought an Opel new.
The Calibra was a nice car, i only had to change the
brake disks(sp?) once. But that was a result of my allways
late-braking-on-the-limit. Ah and Tires yes i needed to
much new tires. The Topspeed was about 220km/h.
It is a nice Toy but you losing to much money when you
buy an Opel new.
Now planing to get an more practical Mercedes kombi or
BMW kombi (not new!).


 
Opel Calibra 2.0i / 115hp

One night I killed a Deer with my Calibra, the damage was
situated with 5000.- German Marks. A lot new plastic and a
new front hood where replaced.

greets
Gh0stFT
 

[Vulcan]

I drive an Isuzu Bighorn. That count as BIG?

I had a look at the crown victoria...LOL. Thats ugliest piece of crap I've seen. Dude... go check out www.holden.co.nz,  check out the HSVs. The Holden Monterey is the NZ version of the Bighorn.

I don't think you guys have Holden in the wonderful USA do you?

Dunno what a Renault is eh? Well you must be an expert then (Ex -> something that was, Spurt -> something ejected).

Co-worked over mine has a Toyota Soarer, beautiful big V8. I used to drive a Camry V6 wagon, big arse thing too. Oh before you spout of about what you know about Camrys, some Camrys sold in the USA are what we call Coronas, a small version.

Man I love some of you US guys, there is a world outside of the states you know.

[J_A_B]

Oh, I know what a Renault is, I've just never seen one here in the USA--Renaults aren't sold in the USA.

I'm also perfectly aware that there's a world outside the US.  The world outside the US has different standards than the US does; this is what I think yuo fail to grasp.  In your country, a Camry Wagon is apparently considered large.   In the USA, a Camry Wagon is somewhat below average.  So if I call one small and you don't, it doesn't mean one of us is wrong, it just means we have a different perspecive.

You think a Crown Vic is ugly...well it's certainly a homely car, quite conservative....but I happen to think it's quite attractive.  Take one on a test drive and you'll fall in love.  It's big and solid and rides smooth as glass.  Do they even sell them in your country?   But the main benefit is the price--for the amount of money one costs you get an incredible value, much better value than a Toyota or Honda.

J_A_B

[Spatula]

Only one way to spell BMW: M3

Or one of several ways to spell Mercedes: AMG E55 (2000)

There's some seriously sexy cars  

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J_A_B

Thanks for your response.

I may have reacted a bit too enthusiastic on this subject.  

I dont have a picture of it. I can't find it anywhere on the net. The only clio i can find is the normal model, without the specials.

Thanks,


JG5FaBi.

[Duckwing6]

J_A_B american cars are good as long as you get your fuel in the 1$ a Gallon price range (yea i know it got a bit more expensive in the states too .. but you guys still have like WAaaaaayyyyy cheaper petrol prices) .. not like here where it's 1$ a quart...

no wonders you'd like to drive a V8 ..

here it's Diesel all the way .. trying to get fuel consumption down as much as possible

DW6
Ford Escort
Diesel 60HP
42 MpG

[Lephturn]

J_A_B is right about one thing.

What car has the highest retail value in the US?

Caddy.

Otherwise, I'm looking hard at a Subaru Impreza for my next vehicle.  I can use the AWD here in Nova Scotia.  

Lephturn

[funked]

US makes good pickup trucks.  The Corvette is a nice piece of engineering.  The rest of 'em are crap in my experience.  Poorly made, poorly designed, unreliable, ugly, ill-handling, turds.

[Vulcan]

JAB...

Crown Vic length, 212 inches
my old Camry length, 208 inches
my Bighorn, 200 inches  

Hmmmm... yeah it was a small car. 4 inches difference. Now the Camry fits in the same size range as our Falcons and Commodores. Some of the Falcons are a bit longer.

Like I said before, our Camrys are different to some of the US models (which we call Coronas). But as usual, you were only listening to the words coming out of YOUR mouth. It also looks like Honda don't sell the Legend (V8) in the States.

We do have bigger stuff, but these were easy to find specs on the net.

Numbers talk boy.

[bike killa]

i was using Rover616 at my work and it has about 200000km (not miles). there was no probs with this car at all, so maybe you'll find it interesting (i'm sure that they have some versions with driving wheel on NORMAL side   ) here it's about 30000$ for that one
 
 

btw. in Poland you can buy all brand new BMW's 3 (including Z3) or some 5's (like 520i or 520d) for less then 40000$. shipping schouldn't be too expencieve, dunno about your taxes...

[Fastbikkel]

My next car will be a subaru impreza, the rally edition. 4wd with turbo!!! yeah!

That realy is a recordbeater, especially in the rain.

JG5FaBi.