Author Topic: F6F, My new love :) (Read 2129 times)

Schatzi · « **Reply #15 on:** August 20, 2006, 06:43:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Major Biggles

last night was fun, never flown that drunk before

Arent you a little young for that??

Oh. And you should be practicing your HMk1 skills instead of those Kitties. You still got easy 10 kills to land.....

LEADPIG · « **Reply #16 on:** August 21, 2006, 04:40:58 AM »

I thought you could drink beer at ten yrs old in Germany Schatzi, or am i just a dumb American???

Schatzi · « **Reply #17 on:** August 21, 2006, 04:54:48 AM »

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Originally posted by LEADPIG
I thought you could drink beer at ten yrs old in Germany Schatzi, or am i just a dumb American???

In Germany you can *drink* beer at any age (like in US btw

). You can buy it at age 16 (officially! That law isnt really "enforced" in the supermarkets - "im buying it for my Dad") - 18 for high vol% drinks.

But Mr. Biggles is a Brit anyway.

Major Biggles · « **Reply #18 on:** August 21, 2006, 07:46:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Schatzi
Arent you a little young for that??

good time down the pub with some mates never harmed anyone

lazs2 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 21, 2006, 08:01:50 AM »

most of the guys flying f6's or Fm2's aren't very good tho. The F6 guys tend to fly it like it is a p51 and think it is unable to turn except in the rarest of emergencies.... then they die.

the Fm2 guys try to fly it like a spit 5 and do a lot of loopy stuff.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

SlapShot · « **Reply #20 on:** August 21, 2006, 03:20:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
I like the FM-2, it's a great deal of fun. However, once it gets slow the F6F will gobble it up. You can point to the FM-2's poor turn rate. It can turn very small circles, but it does so slowly, taking 5 seconds more than the F6F to turn a complete circle. That is a huge difference, and the Wildcat's 25 foot smaller turn radius is insufficient to offset the rate differential.

What hurts the FM-2 is that its supercharger does not kick in below 5,000 feet, which results in zero power increase using WEP. Above 5k and below 13,000 feet, the added power of WEP increases the turn rate, and the FM-2 equalizes things over that altitude range. However, the F6F is significantly faster. Naturally, if no flaps are used, the FM-2 holds the edge at any altitude. However, a smart Hellcat pilot will dump flaps and give the FM-2 all it can handle.

My regards,

Widewing

Interesting ... even when the FM2 pops flaps, the F6F will outturn it ?

Stampf · « **Reply #21 on:** August 21, 2006, 04:15:57 PM »

Major,

Look up Alpha81 of VF-15 Satan's Playmates. The man is lethal in a Hellcat, and a gentleman.

Widewing · « **Reply #22 on:** August 21, 2006, 06:56:24 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Interesting ... even when the FM2 pops flaps, the F6F will outturn it ?

With both fighters having flaps fully out, the FM-2 turns a slightly smaller circle of about 405 feet in radius. At the same time, the F6F-5 turns a circle of 430 feet in radius... Slight advantage for the FM-2.

However, if at low level (below 5k), the FM-2 turns the circle much slower than the F6F, a full 5 seconds slower. This means that the F6F gets around the circle significantly faster. Advantage for the Hellcat.

If the FM-2 is on the Hellcat's six at the beginning, it stands a good chance to get a shot before the F6F can increase lead enough to get out of the gunsight. If, however, the F6F starts out close behind the FM-2, it can remain there. For a shot, he need only yo-yo and drop in. If they are on opposite sides of a circle, the F6F will gain the FM-2's six in about 4 turns.

Also noted is the fact that the F6F offers better stability at low speeds, flaps out.

In a fight between these two, how the FM-2 pilot handles the merge will determine if he survives the next 30 seconds and gets an opportunity for a shot before the F6F over-powers the Wildcat.

Once again, if no flaps are used by any pilot, the FM-2 will have the advantage.

My regards,

Widewing

Mak333 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 21, 2006, 09:28:38 PM »

A6M will win over it tho

Try that for a little - Thats a fun ride.

lazs2 · « **Reply #24 on:** August 22, 2006, 08:00:51 AM »

I haven't flown the f6 much since the improvement but it was never as stable as the Fm2 I spend most of my time at 150 mph or under and rarely use more than one or two notches of flaps on the Fm2 and it seems very stable to me.

I have not really seen any f6 pilots who try to turn it at all. I am more likely to see a nik turn than an F6.

Hopefully, this thread will convince some f6 guys to try to turn the thing and not use it as a slower peee 51.

In real life navy testing the F4f and F3f were said to easily turn inside the F6 and F4u at any speed sooo... maybe the Fm2 will get "fixed" too?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

bozon · « **Reply #25 on:** August 22, 2006, 08:25:14 AM »

Flying with full flaps out is not always the best option, espicially if your plane is under powered. The FM2 may give up some turning radius (try less flaps) to match the F6F's and gain much in terms of rate. I haven't tested it but I'm pretty sure the FM2 will outturn the F6F.

SlapShot · « **Reply #26 on:** August 22, 2006, 08:27:03 AM »

Thanks for the info WW !!

Major Biggles · « **Reply #27 on:** August 22, 2006, 10:03:53 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
I haven't flown the f6 much since the improvement but it was never as stable as the Fm2 I spend most of my time at 150 mph or under and rarely use more than one or two notches of flaps on the Fm2 and it seems very stable to me.

I have not really seen any f6 pilots who try to turn it at all. I am more likely to see a nik turn than an F6.

Hopefully, this thread will convince some f6 guys to try to turn the thing and not use it as a slower peee 51.

In real life navy testing the F4f and F3f were said to easily turn inside the F6 and F4u at any speed sooo... maybe the Fm2 will get "fixed" too?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

yes, but turning inside it is very different to outturning it

we dont doubt the fact that it turns tighter

Oleg · « **Reply #28 on:** August 23, 2006, 02:02:37 AM »

Corsair kicks prettythang

lazs2 · « **Reply #29 on:** August 23, 2006, 08:03:21 AM »

Wow... for such a great turning plane....

It sure is a shame that no one uses it to turn in the MA. I think that is why so many sink carriers, because they are angry that the only planes they can fly are carrier planes and... no one can fly em. Haven't seen anyone even try to turn an F6 in the arena yet.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's