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Offline SlapShot

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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2006, 10:06:08 PM »
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Yes, well than give me friendly fire. You use me as bait, I will up from whatever field you do, and blow your wings off every time I see you. No purpose to that, but to give em a reason not to fk with me again. 99% of the time, I have no problem being bait. I just want to know your using me. tell me "Hey, keep him straight and level a few more seconds, Ill get him for you" Ill stay straight! say "Break left", ill brake left! Just tell me theres a bad guy behind me, and you have a plan for him, ill do what he tells me to, and he is even more likely to get the kill.

And im not saying we should rely on others, but if you see it, call it. Othorwise you are just a lonely little bi*ch.


Yes, well than give me friendly fire. You use me as bait, I will up from whatever field you do, and blow your wings off every time I see you.

I didnt say that I use people as bait ... you wouldnt want to get into a pissin' contest with me if freindly fire was turned on.
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2006, 10:47:34 PM »
1 go around on this topic a month is good for me, always interesting how serious people take games.  like everyone else in the past 5 million threads on this topic has said, 6 call is a gift.  if someone gives me a 6 call, i will return the favor if i get a chance. if they don't i'll be less inclined.  doesn't really matter all that much at anyway.  

most people end up as bait because they let themself be bait. should someone give you a 6? probably, but you should be aware of the situation you are in to begin with.  in the MA it is easy, if you are on a plane, just assume 6 nme planes will be swooping in after about 3 seconds.  if you are having problems with people sneaking up on ya, you just need to look back much more often or fix your views. don't fixate on targets.

all in all, its a game, just play and have fun.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2006, 12:43:09 AM »
<----Loves waiting for the guy to blow up then kill the con of his or her 6.:D
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What utter and compete BS, quite frankly I should kick you off this bbs for this post.

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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2006, 01:14:19 AM »
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Oooh, but his "superior rank" might deem the "Rear Admiral" useless.    He's formally GUNS06 and AZREAL.   He is fooling a number of Rooks, but not me.   The voice is IDENTICAL.


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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2006, 02:40:57 AM »
Is it OK to reprimand those who are using you for bait? I.e. I'm flying along straight and level and an nme is slowly closing on my 6, 5 friendlies are chasing him and not one gives me a six call before I have to break. There is no excuse such as I didn't see him/you or I was to busy or whatever. This happens fairly frequently and I find it extremely annoying regardless of the whole check 6's are rights or privledge's debate.

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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2006, 08:01:02 AM »
"Is it OK to reprimand those who are using you for bait? "

No. They're not making you do anything.  

 You're the dunce flying along fat, dumb and oblivious. In all probability they're simply too busy laughing thier arses off to send you a heads up of any kind.
 If it was me near you I wouldn't waste my time giving you a heads up either as I figure you are either AFK, drunk or too stupid to read the radio buffer. After all you're obviously missing the enemy closing in while doing something else so what would make anyone think you'd see or hear a check six?



"This happens fairly frequently and I find it extremely annoying..."

Tuhhhhh_dah!   And now you know why HTC added ground vehicles to the game.  No need to rely on others for a check six.  If you don't have any "SA" at 35mph on flat terrain then there's always a job for you in "tower control" or flying rescue PBY's if they ever get added!
« Last Edit: August 21, 2006, 08:07:49 AM by Westy »

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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2006, 08:08:20 AM »
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<----Loves waiting for the guy to blow up then kill the con of his or her 6.:D


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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2006, 09:09:31 AM »
The need for a check 6, unless you are on a mission,  is a result of YOUR OWN failure to obey the dictates of SA & ACM. The only time someone should lock on my 6 is THEIR  superior use of ACM related to their skill & aircraft vs. my skill and aircraft. I feel anyone who gets a kill on me, save the occassional weird collision, earned the kill. The only check 6 I should ever expect is from my wingman.
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Re: Re: WHat's with all the crybabies?
« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2006, 09:18:33 AM »
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It's nothing new. There's always been whiners and they whine about the same things now as they did 15 years ago. It's not just check 6's, here's a brief list, feel free to add to it:

The Whiner's Playlist:

1) No Check 6's
2) Alt Monkies (anyone higher than them)
3) Ho'ers (when they lose)
4) Rammers (when they fail to pull off in time on HO attempt)
5) Porkers
6) Milkrunners
7) Stick Stirring
8) Plane X
9) Gang-bangers
10) Cherry Pickers

This game is about combat, and because it is a first person shooter basically, we tend to take that combat and the outcomes fairly personally, moreso than in most multi-player games. As a result emotions run high as does frustration levels. When a person is frustrated and emotional the first thing they want to do is vent, which often involves whining, this is healthy. Without this venting they let it build up, buy a semi-automatic rifle at Wal-Mart and open fire at a Luby Diner one day...So...It's all good...natural...healthy and the nature of the beast...

Zazen


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Re: Re: WHat's with all the crybabies?
« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2006, 09:49:23 AM »
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The Whiner's Playlist:

1) No Check 6's
2) Alt Monkies (anyone higher than them)
3) Ho'ers (when they lose)
4) Rammers (when they fail to pull off in time on HO attempt)
5) Porkers
6) Milkrunners
7) Stick Stirring
8) Plane X
9) Gang-bangers
10) Zazen, SHawk
Zazen


Zaz, I made a small correction to your otherwise very acurate list :D

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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2006, 10:08:17 AM »
OK...how about a reality check (as in RL).  In RL, check 6's are not a gift.  It's everyone's responsibility to give not only check 6 calls but to also call "6 is clear", "break right" etc., i.e., it is the wingman's (wingman refers to all friendlies in an engagement) responsibility to make sure the other's six is clear because he has a better view particularly on the deep six where his buddy can't see very well.  It's part of the SA that everyone harps on.  Yes, each individual is also responsible for checking his own six (usually with a slight weave and belly checks) BUT he must also check his wingman.  RL visual lookout doctrine also calls for each fighter to scan predominantly in the direction of his wingman so that he can maintain section integrity and also clear his wingman's six.  While the numbers vary according to squadron and service doctrine, typically the guy on the right of the formation would be responsible for scanning from his 3 o'clock counter-clockwise to about 7 o'clock while the guy on the left would scan from 9 o'clock to 5 o'clock.  You look "through" your wingman to scan in the distance and he does the same with you.  So, you will probably do this scan 2 or 3 times for every time you check your own six.  When engaged, the responsibility to check your own six obviously increases because your wingman will also be engaged (probably with another bandit) but heaven help the guy who lets his wingman be cornholed.

OK, that's RL and AH is different so let's relate this to AH.  The consequences of poor mutual support are small...your buddy dies and re-ups.  No big deal right?  Nothing personal but I couldn't care less about a fellow countryman dieing per-se, what does bother me is that I lose mutual support.  His death means I have one less friendly around and the odds of successfully achieving the mission decrease.  A 1v4 is more than twice as hard as a 2v4 so it's in my best interest to do as much as I can to keep my wingman alive.  It's just smart.  This is the same complaint I have about kill stealing.  I couldn't care less about the points, I always have more than I can spend but 5 guys following a bare flaming fuselage 10k feet to the ground while firing all the way down just wastes ammo and pisses away altitude for no reason.  These guys are useless to me from a perspective of mutual support and is "un-smart".

We're never going to eliminate the "un-smart" things that people do but rather than beat someone up some constructive criticism would be more useful.  Many new guys don't even realize that what they do impacts everyone else in the engagement.  Primarily though, lead by example and always check other's sixes.  I've found this serves to remind others to do the same much more effectively that *****ing about it.

Mace
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2006, 10:12:34 AM »
I have a list.   Those who are NOT on it get one (or vox).   I don't care if I get one or not.   I'm usually listening to Pink Floyd, and am on the hats anyways.
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2006, 02:18:53 PM »
i have a "do not check 6" list as well.

right now there are 5 names on that list.

getting on the list is simple:

give me a derogatory comment to my ck6 call such as....

"duh"
"no kidding" (and not the surprized no kiddin)
ect and u make the list.

you can also get on the list by ranting on range channel about no ck6s
more than once.

i look at it this way.....u reap what u sow......

if u wanna act like a jerk to your countryman go ahead but dont
be surprized when they dont rush to your aid.
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2006, 03:18:19 PM »
Now, who wants a chocolate éclair?

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« Reply #44 on: August 21, 2006, 04:59:54 PM »
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Agreed, Its him....

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