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Offline Schatzi

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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2006, 10:52:39 PM »
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I dont know how, but the last day, kills in the Emil just came naturally! I know im not beyond help, but as long as I can avoid someone getting behind me, im golden. My thing is, I need people to teach me defensive maneuvers, because, I will say, I never give up. Even when I have lost a whole wing, you will still see me try to level out and RTB before I consider bailing. Ive RTBed with only one aileron and one elevator. I just need to know the maneuvers. And I have started to record engagements (But I cannot record many, my computer memory isnt enough) and I have learned a few pointers from that.

And the "Furball Incident" was that he decided that I only flew 109s because I though it was cool. He figured the only way I could prove otherwise is by fighting him. (I dont see the point in this, because regardless of WHY I fly a plane, I may still suck at it.) and of course, as I expected, I lost. But the last fight was incredibly embarassing, because I took a 109 G14 I beleive, and he owned me in a TBM.

And as far as picking one plane I love, I have done that. I have almost never flown any fighter other than the 109. While the model of 109 I chose has veried, I DID start with the G14, then went to K, then down to G-2, then E, then G-14, then K, then G-6, and now, permanently, Emil.



Reynolds, flying the plane you love is ALWAYS ok! NEVER let anyone convince you otherwise. After all, its about having FUN what you do... not about who gets the kill.


As for Furby.... hes just a VERY good virtual pilot... no matter the plane. Keep challenging him and ASK him how he did it - hes a good guy and most times willing to help/teach. I learned a lot from him.



As for defensive maneuvers: The *best* one is your SA - never let the opponent on your tail in the first place.

Apart from that: do a search on "overshoot", "side slip", "flat scissors" "rolling scissors" and "break turn". Always keep in mind that for every move in the book, theres a counter move.
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« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2006, 06:07:15 AM »
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And the "Furball Incident" was that he decided that I only flew 109s because I though it was cool. He figured the only way I could prove otherwise is by fighting him. (I dont see the point in this, because regardless of WHY I fly a plane, I may still suck at it.) and of course, as I expected, I lost. But the last fight was incredibly embarassing, because I took a 109 G14 I beleive, and he owned me in a TBM.



lol, he is an awesome pilot.


if i can give you my best piece of advice, it is to never underestimate a plane. sometimes when im bored i'll go into FT in donut in an SBD just to hear the whines 'you dweeb, using a bomber as a fighter is cheating!' :D

infact, if you ever get the chance, try a few duels in an SBD or TBM, they turn very well, and 2 50s can do more damage than you expect hehe.

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« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2006, 01:06:20 PM »
If the guy is BnZ style and gets on your 6 in a dive go full wep and dive hard. If he bites and follows you he is wasteing alt and E and once he gets 600to800 back or if you see he starts firing at you just pull up hard and immediatly go into a climbing turn. He should not be able to follow you and if he does hit you he did blacked out and is a good shot once you are 180 roll back fast and contiune on your present course. Only way he can hit ya is if he knows what your gunna do and fires blacked out which is a dang good shot :cool:. Or if you don't have enough E go into a hard flat turn as soon as he pulls lead on you. Slam hard forward on the stick and hold the Negative G turn until he i done. If performed just as you disappear under his nose for the lead shot he will miss. This is just some tactics I use against BnZ'ers. Also, if they try to manuver you into a dogfight you should be able to get on their 6 since they passed you up.
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What utter and compete BS, quite frankly I should kick you off this bbs for this post.

The real truth is you do not like the answer.

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« Reply #18 on: August 27, 2006, 06:13:32 PM »
Thanks!

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another thought, Reynolds....
« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2006, 10:26:16 AM »
The *Best Defense*...is a good offense...and that is why SA is so very important. Pick your target, pick your fight, fight to win. Don't fly defensively...fly offensively.

Someone on this BBS once posted...." a con on your six is better than no con at all...! " This, in my opinion, is flying offensively. This requires that you have good SA, have picked your target (yes, he is behind you...you wanted him there, didn't you? If not, then he picked the fight, not you...) and you picked this particular fight...and now you are going to win by luring him in close enough to let him think he has an easy kill...and then you do all of those ACMs you think are defensive moves...to get him to co-energy states, or force the overshoot to put you on his six...and kill him. Easy? No. It takes practice to learn the timing and the manuvers. Where best to learn these skills than in the TA?

One more thing...attitude. Attack! Attack! Attack! Keep your opponent reeling from your onslaught. Make him think defense...make him think escape...make him fear you through good SA, aircraft management and a harrowing offense! Make him wonder just how the heck you did what you did when he had all of the advantage, or thought he did.
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« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2006, 03:31:08 PM »
My thing is, I seem to fly too offensively. I get so focused on bringing one guy to the ground, when the 4 others show up and start shooting...

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« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2006, 03:47:52 PM »
There's a point to break off the attack. Situational awareness helps find this point.

When you're in a slower plane, the point to break off comes sooner (as you know you'll never catch the guy anyways). If you have 1 or more cons coming in toward you and you're chasing a guy you can never catch, NOW would be the time to break off and manuver for the incoming cons. If the other guy turns back, well that's another matter. You can break, manuver, spot the other guy coming back, break manuver, repeat ad nauseum sometimes. However it's the price you pay for flying an earlier plane. You have to develop that sense that tells you when to leave the target in front of you and dodge the one behind you. Sometimes you can ignore the one behind you for just long enough to finish the kill in front of you -- but this is the advanced stage of this skill :)

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« Reply #22 on: August 28, 2006, 04:16:06 PM »
I am SSSOOOOOOOOO disappointed in myself. I have discovered the other day, after I seemed to have sudden success, that my stall limiter had somehow been turned on :cry im so upset in that I actually thought I was getting good. I am anxious to get back to my Aces High computer and try out a dogfight to see if I am just as good without stall limiter again. :cry

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« Reply #23 on: August 28, 2006, 04:48:57 PM »
You'll find that after the initial shock, you're 190% more effective as a pilot WITHOUT the stall limiter.

Trust me on this. Stall limiter actually takes the input you're giving and says "Okay, I'm going to stop working right abouuuuut... here!" and this takes away your personal control over your craft.

Once you learn how far you can push your ride, you'll be able to perfectly control it, as an extension of yourself.

With stall limiter on, you're "riding in" the plane. With it off you're "in control of" the plane.

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« Reply #24 on: August 28, 2006, 09:16:22 PM »
Yeah, i started with no stall limiter and sucked, and I still dont know how, but somehow limiter got turned on, and suddenly i ROCKED!!! But no, I turned it off as soon as I saw it.

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« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2006, 06:24:54 AM »
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Yeah, i started with no stall limiter and sucked, and I still dont know how, but somehow limiter got turned on, and suddenly i ROCKED!!! But no, I turned it off as soon as I saw it.



Stall Limiter is on by default. Maybe you reinstalled the game or deleted a setting?


Any ways: Flying without stall limiter means youll have to *control* yourself and your inputs. Stall limiter smoothes out your inputs, and - if they are too abrupt or dangerous to airflow - it ignores the input.

Youll need to learn to have a "light hand" when flying. Smooth inputs, no jerky movements. I know its hard sometimes and excitement can carry you away, but its something thatll just need practice. Just always remeber: Be very gentle with that stick of yours! :D.



You can practice your maneuvering skills by flying aerobatics. Turns, loops, wingovers, straight up, stall out and catch her before you hit the gound, snap rolls (level and vertical), flying through hangars in all positions available (upright, sideways, upside down....). Be creative :).

Some times it helps a lot to fly/practice in a non-battle enviroment.
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« Reply #26 on: August 29, 2006, 09:03:17 AM »
I concur with Schatzi about flying in a non-combat environment to get to know your aircraft. And hangars are fun to fly through as well as using them to build up your SA. Try flying through a hangar and do a loop, always keeping the hangar in sight and see how many times you can loop through the same hangar without losing sight of it. It's challenging.
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« Reply #27 on: August 29, 2006, 04:29:00 PM »
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flying through hangars in all positions available (upright, sideways, upside down....)


Thats my favorite defensive trick... but the enemy always flies over... :(

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« Reply #28 on: August 29, 2006, 04:31:35 PM »
Flying through hangars isn't a defensive trick. In fact it'll just get you killed. You're better off pulling a hard turn or a barrel roll or hell even a vertical yo-yo or something.

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« Reply #29 on: August 29, 2006, 04:36:49 PM »
Actually, the only time i have ever crashed flying through a VH upside down... :)