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Offline nirvana

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2006, 08:08:33 AM »
The truck market is still owned by American companies for the most part.  The importers haven't been doing horrible with cars, why shouldn't they try to go for the gold with trucks and match the S-10s and Silverados?
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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2006, 08:20:57 AM »
LOl..  do you even know what kind of leaf springs are on the vette?   they aren't your grandpas leafs.. and... what ferrari of anything else for even twice as much money comes close to outhandling the vette.... well.... none actually.

the vette is 525 hp and gets 26 mpg.   It will pull over a g on the skidpad without even getting better tires... It runs low 12 sec quarters and will do 200 mph.

Nothing else comes close.

I have no interest in front wheel drive cars that are tiny inside and have no trunk and ride like crap when it comes to a sedan...  My Lincoln Town car gets 25 mpg and is night and day better riding than all the jap cars except a lexus maybe that I have driven... it also is bigger inside and has a better trunk.   I haven't had a bit of trouble with it.  following jap cars through the mountains they seem to be having a hard time cornering while the Lincoln is very composed.

I would by another.

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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2006, 09:08:19 AM »
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Corvette: Needs more refinement in interior, transmision, and rear suspention. This car uses rear leaf springs for rear suspension... c'mon that's Middle Ages technology!


You know they may be leaf springs but get it right bub! Transverse Carbon Fiber Leaf Springs are not middle ages!

Its a proven system that works very good. The car handles just as good or better then some of its counter parts. I'd take a Vett, that is reliable over the "Prancing Horse"!

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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2006, 09:53:07 AM »
I have an 05 Nissan Titan and a 06 Ford F350 Super Duty and honestly like both allot. I would recommend either one of those trucks to anybody looking to get a new one.

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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2006, 10:44:07 AM »
American, German or Japanese, many are just that in name only. Mercedes built in Alabama, Hondas in Ohio, Toyotas in Texas.

I guess that would make the Cadillac Escalade (which means "climbing," The Cadilac Climbing. Catchy name...) a French car and the Buick Lucerne a Swiss car? A car you drive around in Lucerne?

Come to think of it, the problem could be all the French words American car companies use to make their cars sound fancy. I say use some words Americans can associate with, like, "The new Cadillac Democrat," or, "Introducing the new 2007 Buick Republican." Even the 'Buick Guzzler' sounds better than the Lucerne.
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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2006, 11:24:11 AM »
300C...best bling sedan? got to be joking..thing is ugly.

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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2006, 11:38:26 AM »
BigGun I agree 100%, that is 1 smurfy looking car

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« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2006, 11:45:20 AM »
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"Guzzled gas, etc. "

Blame the poor quality of the Japanese-built engine.  The 3.4 litre V-8 in the late 90's Taurus SHO was assembled by Yamaha.  It was known for reliability issues.
That V6, which was built and designed by Yamaha's Marine division was a rock.  Significantly smoother than any V6 of the day, in any other automobile.  There were no realibility issues with it at all.

The rest of the driveline sucked.  The transmission was notchy and difficult to shift with any authority.  The clutch was extremely weak and wore out very quickly if you did anything other than nurse it.  Oh, those components were built by Ford.

If the engine guzzled gas, it was due to people not keeping thier foot buried in the accelerator.  I had one and it consistently got 28MPG on the highway.

As far as longevity of Japanese engines go, you must have been sleeping under a rock, or still stuck in the 80's yourself.  A well maintained Honda engine will typically go 180K miles before needing an overhaul.  Come back and talk about your engine when you have that many miles on it.
It's not uncommon for Nissan's V6 to go for over 150K miles without laying a wrench on it.

My Wife's last Infinity I30 had 135K miles on it when we sold it, and the engine ran like new.  Her current Volve S60 has 117K mles on it and the engine is still like new.  We never even had to replace water pumps on those two cars.
My neighbor's Mitsubishi has over 200K miles on it and has never had any engine work done.  It does not burn oil, still sounds solid, and runs very well.  Matter of fact, that car has not ever been in the shop.  Brake shoes have been replaced, oil changed, coolant changed, and spark plugs have been replaced once.

You really have no idea the level of sophistication Japanese engines have attained.
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« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2006, 12:09:27 PM »
Domestic American cars are awful - fact. There are exceptions of course, but if they were generally any good, would Ford and GM be in the trouble they are now? They bet the house on low-tech trucks and truck-based SUVs and now - with gas prices shrinking those markets, they're left with inferior products no-one wants.

If it wasn't for Middle-America's patriotism, they'd already be dead. Chrysler are in only a slightly better position after being bailed out by Daimler.

As much as patriotism demands you think America is the best at every endevour it undertakes, this is one area where, clearly, the Japanese and certain Europeans are better engineers and have better marketing. There is only one segment - trucks - where America can even consider to be the best and that's probably only because few Europeans or Asians would ever consider owning a truck for private use.

In no other segment is there a domestic American product comes close to the best European, Japaneese or even Korean offerings.

The annoying thing is, its not like GM and - particularly - Ford don't know how to make great cars. For example, the European Focus Mk 2 and Mondeo Mk 3 are two of the best handling front-wheel drive cars on sale anywhere - superior to anything Japan has thus-far produced. But for whatever reason, Ford chooses not to sell them in North America.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2006, 12:36:20 PM »
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Domestic American cars are awful - fact.  



I'm sure you actually meant to say "opinion" and not fact.  There are thousands upon thousands of people, myself included, that would disagree with your assessment.

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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2006, 12:46:04 PM »
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Domestic American cars are awful - fact. There are exceptions of course, but if they were generally any good, would Ford and GM be in the trouble they are now? They bet the house on low-tech trucks and truck-based SUVs and now - with gas prices shrinking those markets, they're left with inferior products no-one wants.



Geezzz, then why did I get rid of my Toyota Avalon. What a horrid car I can't believe I even owned that car for 3 years. It was a nightmare to own, always breaking down. My happiest day was it being totaled from a car accident!

I can say that my DOMESTIC AMERICAN MADE!  Cadillac CTS which is two years old has never left me stranded yet!

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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2006, 12:52:17 PM »
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 following jap cars through the mountains they seem to be having a hard time cornering while the Lincoln is very composed.


"Japanese cars having hard time cornering @ mountains"?  Japanese cars specialises in that area!  Ever heard of Touge?  Drifting?

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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2006, 01:19:14 PM »
My 1995 Buick skylark V6 had 180,000 miles on it, did a spark coil once, brakes and junk, had a radiator hose get a hole once (the radiator got a hole in it 6 months ago from a rock from a dump truck so that doesn't really count) and my dumb-arse went to a jiffy lube for 3 years a while back, and they never lubed a certian spot in the suspension like they were supposed to, so that part went (trusted family friend mechanic showed me what they missed it was even in the manual)

so except for a few minor things, the car has been great. buick has for a few years been #2 or #3 in most reliable cars. :aok
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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2006, 01:30:01 PM »
Friends don't let friends buy domestic.  Doodoo on wheels.

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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2006, 01:30:31 PM »
Consumer Reports has for years given the Corvette bad marks for RUST. Nevermind the fact that the Corvette is FIBERGLASS, and always has been. The frame has been aluminum for quite some time. Consumer Reports has been full of horse crap for decades. ESPECIALLY concerning the automotive industry. I made my living working on cars for the general public for two decades. What Consumer Reports said about vehicles failed to hold true in the REAL WORLD about 95% of the time.

The TRANSVERSE leaf spring in the Corvette is not only composite, but has been for about two decades. That suspension system happens to be VERY refined and well developed. You do not HAVE to have coil over shocks to have excellent handling. And in fact, the transverse leaf spring not only provides the weight bearing capability of a spring, but also the anti roll capability of a sway bar. The Corvette is a true world class sports car, for a lot less than you'd pay for a Porsche, a Ferrari, or anything like it, provided you are comparing REAL sports cars with plenty of horsepower and torque. Do not forget that the Corvette won the Rolex 24 sports car race at Daytona.

Drifting is a JOKE. Try SCCA, in any class. Try REAL road racing like Daytona or LeMans. Try Pikes Peak. Drifting is for ricers and "Fast and Furious" wannabees.
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