Remove drones from bombers

[Stampf]

(Stampf in my own opinion I think your statment is a bit excessive....

A while back I was upping from a field and as I was leaving the ground a flight of 24's at 25 K were dropping.

I made chase F4-U4 and caught up to him about 25 minutes later, I got all three and glided back home....

Was it worth it Not really was it satisfying HELL YEAH.....)


I respect your opinion sir but as you said yourself, I used "worth it" myself, not "satisfying".  All kills are satisfying to me.

[AKWarp]

350???  which friggin uber buffs do you guys have?   My B24's will hardly exceed 250 true after a long, level acceleration period.

I have no trouble getting shot down in my buffs.  A single good pilot in a 190 or even a pony will take me out every time...all three of me.

A single buff would be a sitting duck.

Conversely, I have no problems catching buffs at alt either.  Yeah, it can take some time to climb to them if they are really high, but once I've decided to go after some buffs, I've never failed to catch them.  Whether or not I kill them all is another story, but that's more to do with my flying than anything.

No, the three buff formation is fine and isn't uber by any means.

[BlueJ1]

When attacking bombers from their 6. Just send some ammo into the drones. Then remove one winting from the main bomber. The main bomber will spiral down in a way that the drones will explode. You will recieve all three kills. Works best when your alone or with a wingman. Not in a gang of fighters going for the bombers.

[mussie]

Originally posted by Stampf
(Stampf in my own opinion I think your statment is a bit excessive....

A while back I was upping from a field and as I was leaving the ground a flight of 24's at 25 K were dropping.

I made chase F4-U4 and caught up to him about 25 minutes later, I got all three and glided back home....

Was it worth it Not really was it satisfying HELL YEAH.....)


I respect your opinion sir but as you said yourself, I used "worth it" myself, not "satisfying".  All kills are satisfying to me.

right back at ya Stampf

[FiLtH]

You have to remember that many times a defending fighter attacks the buffs, and if he gets shot down, he often can re-engage the bombers again on their way out. Add 163s and 262s to the mix and its even worse.

  Bombers are a big part of the game. Although when we are defending against them we like to think we could destroy evey one of the attackers without a loss to ourselves.  As much as the defender hates losing his fighter to the tail guns, of a formation, the bomber guy hates losing his bombers. You both spent time flying there afterall.

  I think it works fine as it is. A good example is some guys always attack dead 6 and slow. They usually die. The ones I find hard to hit attack at odd angles. Often I lose all 3 to 1 good fighter.

  As for formations..when we do a mission we usually reduce manifold to 40-45 so stragglers can keep up. There always seems to be one or two that fall behind even with all the same loads, flaps up, full throttle.

[Schatzi]

Uh oh... The Lavochkins already getting to you Krusty??

[Dichotomy]

Again I'm with Krusty on this.  Unless I'm going specifically Buff hunting meaning I've upped gotten to 25 k and am loitering around a field looking for that specific shot I've only managed to kill one formation thus far and frankly I suspect the pilot was noob enough that he didn't know what to do as he had already dropped ord and didn't fire back at me.  Any competant buff driver is going to tear me apart for looking in his general direction.  Again I'm pretty noob so my experience might be playing into this one but Krusty is obviously experiencing some of the same things that I have and he's a much more accomplished flyer than I am.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by AKWarp
350???  which friggin uber buffs do you guys have?   My B24's will hardly exceed 250 true after a long, level acceleration period.

I have no trouble getting shot down in my buffs.  A single good pilot in a 190 or even a pony will take me out every time...all three of me.

A single buff would be a sitting duck.

Conversely, I have no problems catching buffs at alt either.  Yeah, it can take some time to climb to them if they are really high, but once I've decided to go after some buffs, I've never failed to catch them.  Whether or not I kill them all is another story, but that's more to do with my flying than anything.

No, the three buff formation is fine and isn't uber by any means.

I checked the speedometer 3 times. It was 350 TAS at 15k. In the past week I've been critically injured by bomber gunners at 800d on the first ping a LOT.

I'm not saying I can survive in a bomber any longer than you can. I'm saying that when chasing them they are impossible to catch in a tail chase, they are far FAR far more lethal than any WW2 fighter ever had to contend with while intercepting them (in real life). If they're going to run around nigh unstoppable and nigh uncatchable, the drones need to be revoked.

If there are friendlies ahead of them radio alerts are the best thing, but folks off to the side, behind, or below them will not catch them unless they're still climbing (and thus, slower).

[BlueJ1]

Also,

Wait until the buffs to reach their target. Once at their target they will go into F6 and not bebale to defend themselves. 99% of the time they wont have a gunner. Or wait until the bomber pilot leaves x or alt x to fly around. Then attack.

\And, when making you approah. Do not go within 1.5k unless your attacking. Flying behind the bombers and not doing anything but that within 1.5k and it wont be long before you find yourself dead.

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by Krusty
I checked the speedometer 3 times. It was 350 TAS at 15k. In the past week I've been critically injured by bomber gunners at 800d on the first ping a LOT.

I'm not saying I can survive in a bomber any longer than you can. I'm saying that when chasing them they are impossible to catch in a tail chase, they are far FAR far more lethal than any WW2 fighter ever had to contend with while intercepting them (in real life). If they're going to run around nigh unstoppable and nigh uncatchable, the drones need to be revoked.

If there are friendlies ahead of them radio alerts are the best thing, but folks off to the side, behind, or below them will not catch them unless they're still climbing (and thus, slower).

Dont attack them alone. 2 pilots can easily take down a bomber formation. Even from dead 6.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by FiLtH
You have to remember that many times a defending fighter attacks the buffs, and if he gets shot down, he often can re-engage the bombers again on their way out.

Filth I don't think so. First, that doesn't have much to do with it, because if there's a bunch of fighters on a bomber formation it doesn't matter who reups, the ones already up are still there. If somebody reups what's the difference between them dying, going elsewhere, and somebody new taking off? That's not an issue. Bombers will have to deal with fighters. It doesn't matter if they're the same ones or not.

Secondly, a bomber set at 15k will be 2 sectors away by the time a con takes off and climbs back up to re-engage them. A fighter has to climb up. And then the fighter that is climbing up is too low and slow to engage. Then it has to tail chase. The top speed of these bombers (when level) is absurd.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Schatzi
Uh oh... The Lavochkins already getting to you Krusty??

That's not til next tour!

[Krusty]

BlueJ, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not ignorant. I've killed more bombers than fighters since... since forever. I'm pretty decent at killing them. I'm not asking for tips or hints.

I'm pointing out a major flaw in the game balance between bombers and fighters that chase them.

[BlueJ1]

Originally posted by Krusty
BlueJ, don't take this the wrong way. I'm not ignorant. I've killed more bombers than fighters since... since forever. I'm pretty decent at killing them. I'm not asking for tips or hints.

I'm pointing out a major flaw in the game balance between bombers and fighters that chase them.

They werent directed at you.

Only the last one was.

[BlueJ1]

Bombers in general fall into many categories so the B-24 can best be described as average when compared to its peers.  Speed is not all that outstanding, 234mph at sea-level, gaining about 2-3mph/1K of altitude gain.  Consider that by the time you get to 10K speed increases to 262mph, by 20K it’s ~290mph, and it tops out at 301mph at 29K.

Taken from here http://members.shaw.ca/soda_p/B24J.htm

You can also go here and compare the sppeds of bombers in the game. Its missing the B-24.

http://www.netaces.org/ahmain/siteframe2.html#title