The 14 Defining Characteristics of Fascism

[lukster]

Originally posted by Suave
No

Socialism is an economic system, fascism is a system of government. Many fascists states have had socialist economies.

Also bear in mind that facsist states often will adopt titles that have benevolent connotations. Nazi Germany was no more socialist than the DPRK is democratic, or the PRC is a republic.

Hey another defining characteristic ?

Whadda ya mean no? Why are you any more of an authority on what a socialist state is than the leaders of Nazi Germany? If you define Fascism as being other than that created by Italy then you have created your own "ism".

[lazs2]

The only media controled in the U.S. is the national media and most of us would like to see tax supported radio and TV go away.

Every other country, especialy england has more government run (tax supported) media than we have.   You can't even own a TV in england without paying a tax for using it.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by lukster
If you define Fascism as being other than that created by Italy then you have created your own "ism".

There are a few new isms in this thread. The biggest being I]Yankedchainism[/I]

I`m amazed. Look at the source, the publication, the group for which it is for, then check out some of their other articles and views on most everything else.
The generic contents make no statement of value whatsoever.
The majority of us here are "The Debul" under their views...........of course they would give us a different label due to The Debul being associated with religion. This by a group that had to come up with religious tag, so to speak, in order to place themselves in the religious minority to self justify their whine.
It`s Felix The Cat Growling at Godzilla.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by lazs2
fishu... have you been to england?  the state runs everything and there are brit flags everywhere you look.. people are wearing em and they are printed on everything you see.

The state runs everything? That's a little bit far fetched.
I saw flags and slogans everywhere in the states, often in quite unusual places.

Like I said, there are many similarities between the both, UK and US. More of the traits fits to UK than any other country in the EU.

The government takes most of everyones money in taxes... I would say that england fits the description far more than the U.S.

The tax money is used to give free education, health care and such for the people. It's only a different philosophy, which doesn't violate anyones huoman rights.

I'd be more worried when poor people are thrown on the streets and everyone would rather see the problem taken care by getting disposed of the poor people who can't pay their share of the taxes. That would be fascism.

[Suave]

Originally posted by lukster
Whadda ya mean no? Why are you any more of an authority on what a socialist state is than the leaders of Nazi Germany?

I know that the DPRK is neither a democracy nor a republic yet I am no more of an authority of what a democracy is than anybody else. Facts don't respect authority anyway.

If you define Fascism as being other than that created by Italy then you have created your own "ism".

The subject of this thread is fascism the polical term. Not literally the ideals espoused by the various fascio movements of sicily and italy 100 years ago.

If somebody refers to you as stoic there's a very high probability they're not talking about where you lie philisophically.

Clumsy example but I hope it helps.

[lazs2]

fishu... how is it "free" if the government uses your money to pay for it?

And... no one has ever been thrown out on the street in the U.S. that I know of.   No one starves that I know of unless they are just insane.

If you are too stupid or lazy to care for yourself there are numerous (too numerous) government programs run with money extorted from it's citizens or... (better yet) charities that will care for people.

I don't see that many American flags around except by private citizens.

I don't see any merge of church and state.   Which religion would that be that you think the U.S. supports as a government religion?   How is abortion a religious matter anyway?   There are plenty of agnostics and even (chuckle) athiests who do not believe that abortion is a good thing and even murder at some point.

It seems odd to me that the countries with the biggest socialist governments are worried that our government has too much power over it's people.

You claimed that in a socialist country no ones human rights are violated by "free" socialist programs.   No?   try to not pay your taxes commie boy and see where you end up.   You have no individual rights... you think it is fine if you lose any so long as most of your neighbors all think it is a good idea.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by lazs2
fishu... how is it "free" if the government uses your money to pay for it?

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You can have it even if you didn't pay enough taxes to cover your part of it.

If you want to be philosopical of the meaning of "free", then you should consider this: There's no such thing as free, everything has a cost of some kind. Either directly or indirectly.

We could go on and on about the taxes, but one thing is for sure, the current tax system in the UK isn't fascistic.

And... no one has ever been thrown out on the street in the U.S. that I know of.   No one starves that I know of unless they are just insane.

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Of those who YOU know.
Anyway, I wasn't making an example of the US. I made it as an example of a facistic taxation.

I don't see that many American flags around except by private citizens.

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American flag can be seen almost anywhere and in anything in the states. It's whole lot different than over here. Over here there is an absence of anything resembling the finnish flag if nothing special is going on.

No?   try to not pay your taxes commie boy and see where you end up.   You have no individual rights...

If I don't have invidual rights, then how could you have any more of it than I do? Or are you saying that you don't and neither do we?
I don't know how taxing affects invidual rights. I see the rights as.. well.. human rights.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Fishu



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American flag can be seen almost anywhere and in anything in the states. It's whole lot different than over here. Over here there is an absence of anything resembling the finnish flag if nothing special is going on.

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And this would be true. But hardly and example of Fascism.

Americans by and large are a very patriotic group.
Other then during the late 60's during Nam and afterwards did overt visible signs of that patriotism wane.
During that period and immediately afterwards we. This country as a whole didn't feel very good about ourselves.
A lot of us had a "this country sucks" attitude. Quitting in Nam and seeing it overrun and ultimately controlled by the NV had a lot to do with it. Viewed by many as being defeated in Nam
We were....depressed for lack of a better term.

Then came the Iran hostage deal which raised our ire but   the failed rescue attempt ended up  sapping our national pride yet farther.
I think that failed attempt did more then fail there. But we felt as if all of us failed in it.
It was much deeper then a military failure.
It further eroded the national psyche

Reagan. Like him or not helped re instill our national pride again. Minor military victories also helped that damaged pride at home.

In combination of those victories His speeches about America were delivered like that of a good coach giving a pep talk to work the team up.
You see any good sporting coach while they may mention the negative  they always focus on the positive. And that's what he did with lines like.
Americas best days are ahead of us" Pretty soon we started to believe that.
We weren't just people living in the America anymore. We were once again AMERICANS.

Now, why did I say that?
Because he didn't instill anything new into us. It was always there.
He just knew how to bring it out again
Because Prior to Nam. and the 70's and throughout our history we have always had a huge sense of national pride  be us Democrat, Republican or otherwise and have always been unshy about displaying that pride.

Not because the government mandates it or tries to push it on us. This type of thing cant just be legislated into being or even brainwashed into us.
and neither is the case. Never has been

Because we actually feel it. We've always felt it. ITs in our blood. its in our spirit.Its in our heritage.
ITs what was meant on one of our original flags "Don't tread on me"
ITs what was felt at Fort Mc Henry when its commander Major Armistead had a HUGE American flag (30 feet by 42 feet ) specially made just so the British ships could see it could see it better. And what Francis Scott Key felt when he wrote "oh say can you see. by the Dawns Early light. what so PROUDLY we hailed. At the twilights last gleaming"
And what he felt to see that "The Flag was still there"
And it wasn't felt by just him. But in the people of the surrounding area. He simply managed to put into words perfectly what everyone already felt.

And throughout our history
ITs what was felt on 9/11 at the WTC when they raised the flag there amongst the rubble.
And the homeless man who displayed a flag outside his cardboard box that served as his home

Its what the Indian guy (who received US citizenship last year)at the local store felt when I was teasing him about "his country" (meaning india) and he turned to me with a twinkle in his eye and a broad smile on his face and said "What you mean my country? tapping his finger hard on the counter surface for emphasis and typical American "arrogence" said "This is my country. America my country Jack. I am  American now."


Our national pride and display of such pride isn't mandated by our government.
And we sure as hell don't need a special occasion to display our pride.
We do so because we want to and are proud to do so. And if I have to explain it to you then you will never understand untill you become an American.
Because we ARE Americans. We understand it perfectly
We may do a lot of infighting amongst ourselves but at the end of the day no matter what political affiliation we may be. or none at all, we ARE Americans. We belong to a country that against all odds and in spite of Civil war and seemingly endless bickering amongst ourselves has endured and grown in a little more then two hundred years to be the longest running democracy and the most powerful nation on earth.
And we dont just belong to that country. we ARE that country

What are we supposed to be, Ashamed of that?
are we supposed to apologize for it?
Hell no!

To many we are arrogant.
I say damn right we are. And proud of it too
We are AMERICANS

[mietla]

Originally posted by Fishu
The tax money is used to give free education, health care and such for the people. It's only a different philosophy, which doesn't violate anyones huoman rights.

I guess stealing one man's property and giving it to another is not a crime in your country.

[mietla]

Originally posted by Fishu
I'd be more worried when poor people are thrown on the streets and everyone would rather see the problem taken care by getting disposed of the poor people who can't pay their share of the taxes. That would be fascism.

How come the poor don't pay their taxes? It's for the greater good as you said?

Why should some folks work their tulips off, and be raped by the taxman, while others lay in a gutter drink booz and ingest drugs and are worshiped for it by the commie wannabees?

You feel you have some extra cash, by all means give it away to whomever you choose, yor property your decision. Just stay away from me.

[lazs2]

yep... fishu... you don't get it.  mielta boiled it down.  a socialist government steals one mans money and gives it to another.   if the man protests he is jailed or has his property confiscated... if he resists... he will be forced with..... up to death.

"free" does not mean that you are free to steal from your fellow citizen.

No wonder there are no finnish flags being displayed.... I would be ashamed too.

lazs

[T0J0]

Troll or Tool....I cant decide...

TJ

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
And this would be true. But hardly and example of Fascism.

Americans by and large are a very patriotic group.
Other then during the late 60's during Nam and afterwards did overt visible signs of that patriotism wane.
During that period and immediately afterwards we. This country as a whole didn't feel very good about ourselves.
A lot of us had a "this country sucks" attitude. Quitting in Nam and seeing it overrun and ultimately controlled by the NV had a lot to do with it. Viewed by many as being defeated in Nam
We were....depressed for lack of a better term.

Then came the Iran hostage deal which raised our ire but   the failed rescue attempt ended up  sapping our national pride yet farther.
I think that failed attempt did more then fail there. But we felt as if all of us failed in it.
It was much deeper then a military failure.
It further eroded the national psyche

Reagan. Like him or not helped re instill our national pride again. Minor military victories also helped that damaged pride at home.

In combination of those victories His speeches about America were delivered like that of a good coach giving a pep talk to work the team up.
You see any good sporting coach while they may mention the negative  they always focus on the positive. And that's what he did with lines like.
Americas best days are ahead of us" Pretty soon we started to believe that.
We weren't just people living in the America anymore. We were once again AMERICANS.

Now, why did I say that?
Because he didn't instill anything new into us. It was always there.
He just knew how to bring it out again
Because Prior to Nam. and the 70's and throughout our history we have always had a huge sense of national pride  be us Democrat, Republican or otherwise and have always been unshy about displaying that pride.

Not because the government mandates it or tries to push it on us. This type of thing cant just be legislated into being or even brainwashed into us.
and neither is the case. Never has been

Because we actually feel it. We've always felt it. ITs in our blood. its in our spirit.Its in our heritage.
ITs what was meant on one of our original flags "Don't tread on me"
ITs what was felt at Fort Mc Henry when its commander Major Armistead had a HUGE American flag (30 feet by 42 feet ) specially made just so the British ships could see it could see it better. And what Francis Scott Key felt when he wrote "oh say can you see. by the Dawns Early light. what so PROUDLY we hailed. At the twilights last gleaming"
And what he felt to see that "The Flag was still there"
And it wasn't felt by just him. But in the people of the surrounding area. He simply managed to put into words perfectly what everyone already felt.

And throughout our history
ITs what was felt on 9/11 at the WTC when they raised the flag there amongst the rubble.
And the homeless man who displayed a flag outside his cardboard box that served as his home

Its what the Indian guy (who received US citizenship last year)at the local store felt when I was teasing him about "his country" (meaning india) and he turned to me with a twinkle in his eye and a broad smile on his face and said "What you mean my country? tapping his finger hard on the counter surface for emphasis and typical American "arrogence" said "This is my country. America my country Jack. I am  American now."


Our national pride and display of such pride isn't mandated by our government.
And we sure as hell don't need a special occasion to display our pride.
We do so because we want to and are proud to do so. And if I have to explain it to you then you will never understand untill you become an American.
Because we ARE Americans. We understand it perfectly
We may do a lot of infighting amongst ourselves but at the end of the day no matter what political affiliation we may be. or none at all, we ARE Americans. We belong to a country that against all odds and in spite of Civil war and seemingly endless bickering amongst ourselves has endured and grown in a little more then two hundred years to be the longest running democracy and the most powerful nation on earth.
And we dont just belong to that country. we ARE that country

What are we supposed to be, Ashamed of that?
are we supposed to apologize for it?
Hell no!

To many we are arrogant.
I say damn right we are. And proud of it too
We are AMERICANS

Sometimes you can come out with a real crowd pleaser.

Only two things I see differently is about the Nam era and the Iran situation.. At least in my area people became more aware of what was going on and the fact that bureaucratic BS was hindering our troops. Our troops in Nam were Kickin butt, taking names. The problem was they were being held back and used as pawns in a lot of cases. It got more people involved in what was being done in our country in general. In my area if you had been caught disrepecting a returning member of the armed forces you wouldn`t have had a pleasant day.
After the botched attempt in Iran and the bureaucratic shuffle , people had just about enough of the BS. The little big eared man from TX told the gov to go to hell in such a nice way that they looked forward to the trip.
The problem was solved by Americans. Americans stick togetherwhen things get realy tough when it comes to other Americans...even if it means tell old gov to kiss your backside. Hope we never lose that. If we do , we`re done. Stick a fork in us.
American pride and having pride in the fact that you are American is the glue that binds this country.
Without patriotism a country is a bunch of loose pebbels in a can that can be rattled and thrown around at will. With patriotism a country becomes solid rock and a force to reckoned with.
Proud to be an American.  

[Fishu]

Originally posted by lazs2
yep... fishu... you don't get it.  mielta boiled it down.  a socialist government steals one mans money and gives it to another.   if the man protests he is jailed or has his property confiscated... if he resists... he will be forced with..... up to death.

hmm, sounds pretty similar to the US, just with a different tax rate.

[GRUNHERZ]

Funked you have become such a tool.