FBI 10 most wanted down to 9. Warren Jeffs arrested in Las Vegas

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2
sandie... that makes no sense to me.   What you are asking for is a disolution of the conventional marriage except in religious circles.

The religious circlers have laid claim to the term, "marriage." I say, fine. Let them lay claim to it. What the church calls a marriage, the state can call a civil union. As far as the state is concerned, the name isn't important. What is important is that state has recognized a social contract between adults. It's my opinion that the state need not worry about whether social contracts are between just one man and one woman. As far as the state in concerned, these social contracts need not be heterosexual nor monogamous. It's none of their business.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Sandman
The religious circlers have laid claim to the term, "marriage." I say, fine. Let them lay claim to it. What the church calls a marriage, the state can call a civil union. As far as the state is concerned, the name isn't important. What is important is that state has recognized a social contract between adults. It's my opinion that the state need not worry about whether social contracts are between just one man and one woman. As far as the state in concerned, these social contracts need not be heterosexual nor monogamous. It's none of their business.

Well said.  Whenever we have the discussion on here about "gay marriage" I allways make the same point:  Gay marriage isn't about equal rights, it's about special rights.  States should have civil unions that apply to all strait or gay.

[lazs2]

sandie... that is fine if you wish to go the other way and dissolve marriage and all it's rulesand, more importantly... the benifiets.... that can be arranged I suppose but...

That is not what gays and others want... they want to piggyback in on the benifiets that were won because people in the U.S. believed that a marriage between a man and a woman was good for the country.

There is nothing stopping a gay from marriage.... so long as it is to someone of the oppossite sex.   There is nothing stopping anyone from entering into a legal contract.

Either dissolve marriage and start over or... start something new for people who don't like the rules.

lazs

[Sandman]

Hmmm... benefits.

IMHO, the only benefits of making a partnership "official" in the eyes of the state should be:

1. Property. When I pass, my partner (or partners) takes ownership of my property.
2. Medical. In the event I cannot speak for myself, my partner (or partners) should be able to make medical decisions for me.

Off the top of my head... I don't see the legal benefit of marriage other than those listed above. If you think I'm missing something, please point it out.

With the above benefits, I don't see how heterosexuality, homsexuality, monogamy, or polygamy make any difference. It's a social/civil contract. Simple as that.

Again... don't get wrapped around the axle on the terms. As far as I'm concerned, marriage, civil unions, and domestic partnerships should all be one in the same in the eyes of the state.

[lazs2]

I am not the one wrapped up on the axle of terms...  I understand what marriage means and what a social contract means.

If you wish to dissolve the concept of marriage and make a new one that encompasses everything then that is up to you to try.

The benifiets are as you described and were given to a male and a female in order to raise children in the best possible way according to how the people of the country felt at the time.  

This can be changed I suppose but in fairness...  you need to either disolve the institution of marriage and start all over again or... form a new type of union and make new rules that apply to it

not really complex but... one needs to be fair.  Fair would not be to simply piggyback any relationship that comes down the pike onto the established one.

lazs

[Sandman]

Originally posted by lazs2


not really complex but... one needs to be fair.  Fair would not be to simply piggyback any relationship that comes down the pike onto the established one.

lazs

I don't see the unfairness. Please elaborate.

[lazs2]

I thought that I had.    the benifiets were won over time under the pretense that they would reward the stable relationship of a man and a woman in marriage... it was supposed to be the ideal way to raise the future (children) of America and there is some merit to that theory.

What is fair to the citizens of America is that if we no longer find this valuable then we disolve it.  

I say this as someone who has been married and someone who is raising kids now.

What reason would we need to change the rules?    The rules are fine as is.  Everyone has the same chance.   if your sexual preference or lack thereof makes you not want to participate then there are a number of legal contracts that you can taylor to your oddball situation.

lazs

[Sandman]

I'll ask again. How are homosexual or polygamous marriages unfair to monogamous heterosexuals?

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by TracerX
It seems odd that he would be in that group, but as I heard the Arizona Attorney General say, one of the reasons he is on the list is his general disregard for any legal authority.  He placed himself above the law, and Utah and Arizona did not like that.  The fact that he was involved in crimes against underaged children was the other huge factor in placing him on the list.

Arranging marriages with underaged kids? These guys can't get laid by an adult woman or something? Take a look at this guy, he's got pedophile written all over him.

I say round up the whole lot and shoot 'em.

[lazs2]

sandie... they aren't..... unless you think breaking the rules is unfair.  One of us is being obtuse.

I personaly don't care if the guy has 30 women living there consentualy but if he wants to be married by the current rules... the state will only recognize one of em.

If he tries to defraud the state by lieing on his permit then he will have broken plainly spelled out laws.

He is wellcome to enter into any other legal contract tho.

I do find it to be proof of how wasteful all of our secret police agencies are that he was in the "10 most wanted list" and.... that they couldn't find some guy who was dragging a freigging buttload of women around with him...

We are getting screwed on the whole nija secret police thing.

lazs