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Offline Mako15

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« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2006, 06:06:41 AM »
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stingrays have venom and such but the news is reporting it as a peicing type wound, cant believe how that would occur


from what I heard it was a really big stingray....methinks to do that kind of damage the barb must have been at least 6 in long....making the ray about....ahhh gross estimate of maybe 5-7 foot long ray

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« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2006, 06:25:09 AM »
Mako,  I wouldn't believe the media about this, at least not yet.  They're saying he was pierced "through" the chest...  That would mean a barb about 12 inches long.  Maybe they grow them bigger near Australia but that's about double the length I thought they could possibly get.

I suspect the media is reporting a distorted version of what happened.  Getting nailed "in" the chest, yea, that could happen and could easily kill someone.  "through" the chest?  Not very likely to occur in the first place, and the venom would probably do the damage, not the stab wound itself unless it was in the exact right (wrong) spot.

edit - Found references for stingrays that grow in excess of 7 ft in span...  I could see the barb on one of those getting pretty big but still, going "through" someones chest seems pretty unlikely.
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« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2006, 06:31:50 AM »
The report I read said it was a freak accident that the ray got him in the chest, and that he died of cardiac arrest shortly after. He was very unlucky, apparently deaths due to stingrays are not very common.

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« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2006, 06:48:19 AM »
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Mako,  I wouldn't believe the media about this, at least not yet.  They're saying he was pierced "through" the chest...  That would mean a barb about 12 inches long.  


Cardiac needles need not be that long. A needle 10 cm probably could put drugs into a typ human heart, so a ray barb 4" long could put venom into the heart muscle.
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« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2006, 07:04:47 AM »
Holden,

That's exactly my point.  Sticking the barb "into" the chest or heart doesn't take a very long barb.  Putting it entirely "through" the chest, as the news media have been reporting however, would take a much longer barb.
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« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2006, 07:32:24 AM »
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Holden,

That's exactly my point.  Sticking the barb "into" the chest or heart doesn't take a very long barb.  Putting it entirely "through" the chest, as the news media have been reporting however, would take a much longer barb.



i think what they mean by going through his chest was that it went right into him, not all the way out the other side. apparently it was a big ray and the poison went right into his heart, very unlucky :(

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« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2006, 07:32:58 AM »
I will miss the guy.  He was a true conservationist, and a friend to the environment.  I do believe he was a bit risky in some of the things he did, but I don't blame him for it.  You could tell it was in his blood, like he couldn't control himself.  Just got too excited.  I have some of that same excitement about nature in me as well.

Anyway, you guys wouldn't believe how big stringrays can get.  The barbs can grow extremely big.  Here is a link to one caught on the texas coast just this weekend, and I would guess they get much bigger in Australia.  Definately have to be careful.


http://extremecoast.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6767

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« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2006, 07:41:28 AM »
Well, Steve was reckless.  Pure and simple.  Reckless to the point of foolhardiness.

Wasn't he recently criticised for holding his young child over a crocodile pen or something?

Reckless.

Which seems to be a mark of, or rite of passage of, so many of today's "wildlife experts."

Sure, Steve worked to increase people's awareness of the world's wildlife and promote environmental issues, but his recklessness indicated to me that he did not have a proper respect for that wildlife.  The type of respect that is born of awe, and is grounded in fear.

I'm afraid I don't have much respect for fearlessness, except in those instances when someone displays it in an act of selfless heroism and sacrifice on behalf of others.

This new breed of wildlife expert had its genesis in the likes of people such as Marlin Perkins of Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom television series.  Marlin and his sidekicks Stan and Jim were portrayed as daring he-men who grappled with dangerous beasts, all in the name of wildlife preservation.  What the viewer did not know, and what the Marlin and the producers of the show took pains to conceal, was that behind the cameras there was an experienced big-game hunter with a rifle to insure the safety of those same he-men.

Yet modern urbanite viewers ate it up.  Marlin's example undoubtedly encouraged an entire generation of young wildlife enthusiasts to do the same.  

While these men have raised the public's awareness of vital environmental and wildlife issues they have also created in that public a view of the wild that is terribly skewed, and have encouraged reckless behavior with animals that is based on a lack of knowledge of the true nature of the wild.

Wild animals aren't cute or blessed with human virtues of compassion or ethereal notions of nobility.  They are wild...and wild is dangerous.  Not can be or maybe...ARE dangerous.

Uncounted millions of our ancestors were devoured by creatures of the wild.  Anthropologists have found many skeletons of our hominid ancestors that were killed by leopards, who inserted two fangs dirtectly through the eye sockets into the brain.  I once read an article on the depradations wrought by tigers amongst the popuplations of India.  The British government estimated that during the nineteenth century, tigers killed more than a million people in India.

Witness what happened to the feather-brained grisly man and his girlfriend.  I never equated what he did with bravery.  He was an idiot...and his idiocy got him killed, along with his girl friend.  Yet the modern media is trying to portray him as "brave" and "concerned."

Balderdash.  The man was a freak...with a sense of self-preservation that had been completely neutered by modern environmental notions.

Combine that with an unbridled thrill-seeking and risk-taking mentality and you have a recipe for disaster...and a dangerous example for young people who see these twits being held up as heroes.

Perhaps I'm getting crotchety in my old age, but I have never suffered this type of fool gladly, and I won't get on the bandwagon with others who are trumpeting their bravery, or their "contributions to environmental awareness."  That would just help get some other human beings killed.


Steve's death is a tragedy.  I liked him and his program.  He leaves behind a wife and child who will have to make sense of all of this and piece their lives back together.

But make no mistake about it....he must bear the burden of responsiblity for his own death....for he was foolish and reckless.



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« Reply #38 on: September 04, 2006, 07:51:18 AM »
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This just in - its only a matter of time for all of us. Some of us just have a boring wait.

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RIP Steve


LOL C'mon guys. Kinda splitting hairs here with the in the chest/through the chest debate.

Also, yes, its terrible whenever someone dies of anything less then old age.

But...

We've all seen his shows.
And the idiotic stunts he used to perform.

and doesnt anyone remember the moronic stunt he did with his baby and the croc?

This was entirely predictable. The only question was with which animal it was going to be he pressed his luck one time too many with.

You will excuse me if I dont boo hoo hoo over this clown.
Personally I thought he was a suicidal idiot.
He F***ed with wildlife one time to many and he lost
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« Reply #39 on: September 04, 2006, 07:59:59 AM »
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Well, Steve was reckless.  Pure and simple.  Reckless to the point of foolhardiness.

Wasn't he recently criticised for holding his young child over a crocodile pen or something?


Regards, Shuckins


no he placed his kid IN the Croc pen.

Said he didnt want the kid to be afraid fo the crocs.

Now it may be just me. But ti seems to me thats the kind of thing if your going to teach a kid. You teach them when they are a bit older and are able to understand that if you get too close to a croc it may decide to eat you.

My concern when I heard of this event wasnt of the danger at that moment.
But rather later when the kid is crawling around on his own and decides to visit the croc BECAUSE he isnt afraid of it.

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« Reply #40 on: September 04, 2006, 08:05:25 AM »
that had to be painful as hell
I took a barb from a 3ft ray couple of years ago in between my thumb and forefinger. It hurt for hours and almost took myself to the ER as the pain spread up under my right armpit.
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« Reply #41 on: September 04, 2006, 08:10:41 AM »
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« Reply #42 on: September 04, 2006, 08:26:23 AM »
Whatever you guys think he still went out doing his job that he loved and that is what really counts for me.  If he didn't like being out in the wild chasing down various animals then we would not be able to sit here debating his sanity.  

God Bless the Irwin Family and Steve Irwin.  Your shows brought laughter,  and learning to my family as well as amazement that you could get away with some of the things you did with animals all over the world.
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« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2006, 08:28:20 AM »
I'm very sad to hear this...

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I didn't think stingrays were very aggressive.

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« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2006, 09:19:24 AM »
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You been saving this up for Steve or what? Windbag.:rolleyes:








God Bless the Irwin Family and Steve Irwin. Your shows brought laughter, and learning to my family as well as amazement that you could get away with some of the things you did with animals all over the world.  

Exactly Reschke. Good bye Steve and thank you.