Ice bubbles reveal biggest rise in CO2 for 800,000 years

[mora]

Originally posted by lazs2
Each passenger on a cross continental flight creates a ton of Co2 gasses....   more than most cars produce in a lifetime.

That's utter crap. They create less than an average car per kilometer per passenger(taking account the average passenger load percentages). Do you drive you average car just 5585 kilometres(New York to London) in it's lifetime?

[Angus]

Oh, and Lazs:
"It is very arrogant to think that we are causing global warming.

But... say they are right.... we are doomed at this point....nothing can change it... it's too late... the only thing that will help is if we shut down all air travel right now. Each passenger on a cross continental flight creates a ton of Co2 gasses.... more than most cars produce in a lifetime."


Firstly, it's very arrogant of you to even think you can stick to that we have nothing to do with global warming.
Secondly, there are measures that can be taken, - it is a fight. If you surrender immediately (same goes to crime and drugs, where your position seems to be the same) , it's lost.
Thirdly, air travel is not the main problem, just a wee part of it.  In fact, in your statement there is utter and absolute nonsense, and either you're trolling, or just having a brain problem. Explain how you feed a lifetime use of a car, - that is the fuel bill, within the price of an airticket
(maybe you forgot a few zeros?)

And Beetle should be unleashed. It seems that many a thing he said was actually right. Which is vastly superior to the nonsense posted above.

[Angus]

Originally posted by mora
That's utter crap. They create less than an average car per kilometer per passenger(taking account the average passenger load percentages). Do you drive you average car just 5585 kilometres(New York to London) in it's lifetime?

Second to that!
And a nice angle.
A car using 10.L pr 100 km, and only lasting 100.000 km wil use 10 tonnes of fuel. That would gibe a Jumbo the fuel load of 4000 tonnes for a leg with 400 passengers right?

[lazs2]

I see the people who live in countries that are so boring that they need to travel for fun don't want to admit how much of a problem they are.

one little selfish vacation trip is worse than some poor slob going to work every day in his car.   I read that each passenger is responsible for a ton of Co2 for the trip... it would take a lot of driving to equal that.

So now..... flying... the thing you like is a "minor" part of the problem...LOL...


Global warming is simply a way for you to nanny people..... so long as it only applies to other people of course...

lazs

[lukster]

Originally posted by Angus
Oh, and Lazs:
"It is very arrogant to think that we are causing global warming.

But... say they are right.... we are doomed at this point....nothing can change it... it's too late... the only thing that will help is if we shut down all air travel right now. Each passenger on a cross continental flight creates a ton of Co2 gasses.... more than most cars produce in a lifetime."


Firstly, it's very arrogant of you to even think you can stick to that we have nothing to do with global warming.
Secondly, there are measures that can be taken, - it is a fight. If you surrender immediately (same goes to crime and drugs, where your position seems to be the same) , it's lost.
Thirdly, air travel is not the main problem, just a wee part of it.  In fact, in your statement there is utter and absolute nonsense, and either you're trolling, or just having a brain problem. Explain how you feed a lifetime use of a car, - that is the fuel bill, within the price of an airticket
(maybe you forgot a few zeros?)

And Beetle should be unleashed. It seems that many a thing he said was actually right. Which is vastly superior to the nonsense posted above.

I think the jury is still out on who is or isn't right. 10 years? I can wait. I have little doubt though that by then there will be some new disaster looming on the horizon. With the climate very much the same in 10 years as it is today perhaps the new alarm will be we're running out of breatheable air?

[Jackal1]

Never fear! Myself, Pinky and the good folks at Ionic Breeze have things well under control.

[Angus]

Originally posted by lazs2
I see the people who live in countries that are so boring that they need to travel for fun don't want to admit how much of a problem they are.

one little selfish vacation trip is worse than some poor slob going to work every day in his car.   I read that each passenger is responsible for a ton of Co2 for the trip... it would take a lot of driving to equal that.

So now..... flying... the thing you like is a "minor" part of the problem...LOL...


Global warming is simply a way for you to nanny people..... so long as it only applies to other people of course...

lazs

Do you know maths? Can you post numbers?

[mora]

Originally posted by lazs2
one little selfish vacation trip is worse than some poor slob going to work every day in his car.   I read that each passenger is responsible for a ton of Co2 for the trip... it would take a lot of driving to equal that.

So now..... flying... the thing you like is a "minor" part of the problem...LOL...

straw man

Ton of CO2? You release the same amount of C02 when you burn an amount of hydrocarbon, it doesn't matter if it's in a car or an airplane. A typical fuel consumption of an intercontinental airliner is around 3 liters per kilometer(77 Miles Per Gallon) per passenger. Even the smallest cars consume almost twice of that, and they are mostly occupied by a single passenger. You better start carpooling or we are doomed.

[Neubob]

Conservative America is to blame..... Free Tibet.

[Xjazz]

The future looks so bright and shine for our kids...

[Yeager]

Quick!~  everybody run outside and kill themselves

[Angus]

No, that would release methane from the corpses

[lukster]

Originally posted by Angus
No, that would release methane from the corpses

[FUNKED1]

"The rate of change is probably the most scary thing because it means that the Earth systems can't cope with it,"

I like how he says that even though there's nothing in the data to suggest it.  Instead of of saying "it means that Earth systems can't cope with it" he should say "it means we don't know how Earth systems will cope with it."  This is the kind of stuff that prevents these guys from being taken seriously by a lot of us.

[Neubob]

Originally posted by Xjazz
The future looks so bright and shine for our kids...

Just like it did during WWII, or WWI, for that matter, or the Cold War when people learned to 'Live with the Bomb', or during the first decades of the industrial revolution, or during any of the various plagues that struck in the last 800 years, or the Crusades, or the Inquisition, or the times before after and during Roman rule. Geez, I don't even wanna think about how pre-historic man reacted to the gradual climatic shifts that signalled the beginning of the end of the Ice Age--must of really got their panties in a bunch.

The world has always and will always seem f'ed up to the people that are old enough to remember when a different set of problems dominated global concern. In another generation, when a whole new set of world-killing problems are discovered, your children will sit around and wax nostalgic about how great it was when the 21st century was young.

Our world strives for balance, like it or not. We can and will adapt and live to see a whole new set of freakishness scare the hell out of us.