A Nation of Wimps

[Saintaw]

Originally posted by storch
really?  so then edumacation is the be all end all then?  do some research. what is the profesion that produces the greatest number of millionaires in the U.S. post the results if you wish.

Hollywood actors!

Storch, being rich doesn't neccesarily (?) make one smart. Smarter than me, perhaps... but not "smart".

I am like most pi**ed off at some parents of my generation. A friend's kid (4 y/old) was hitting me with a stick on my (injured) back... as I told him to stop, his mom told me not to say anything because "he is trying to get your attention, if you don't pay him attention, he will stop".

I answered that if she didn't do anything real quick, he'd get his 1st (very needed) spanking from me. Needless to say this put some kind of dent in our friendship.

[Angus]

Here's a story from Germany.
A queue of people is waiting at a cash registry. A 6 year old boy keeps ramming the guy in front of him with the shopping chart. (Guy was a student, about 20 I guess). The guy asks the boy to stop this. After a few times he asks the boys mother to keep him at bay. The mother replies "I won't, I do not belive in that way of upbringing, kids should be free to do what they want"
The Student is somewhat baffled, then reaches into his shopping chart and gets a bottle of liquid honey. He opens the bin, walks to the mother and pours the honey over her hair. She goes yelling, "Why are you doing that" and he replies: "I was also grown up that way"

While I am typing this, my wife is in the Kindergarten with our daughter which is 2.
She is well protected by us, but yet, has had a scruffle with the dogs, has had a cow trying to ram her (she hit back!) and has mostly been sleeping in her own room for a year.
I grew up somewhat rougher than I'd expose to her though.....

[AquaShrimp]

Originally posted by storch
really?  so then edumacation is the be all end all then?  do some research. what is the profesion that produces the greatest number of millionaires in the U.S. post the results if you wish.

Sports?

If you're educated, you're going to get a better job than if you weren't educated.  If you're educated, you're going to make better decisions than if you weren't educated.

A person has to want to be educated.  Education is simply knowing alot of stuff about alot of stuff.  School helps a person with education, but its not the total package.

[lazs2]

education is not bad.... even U.S. education teaches some skills in between the lines.

Rolex is explaining a different type of education.   If we did that here we would have better educated people.

What is being said is that U.S. education is a huge failure... it is better than nothing but still a failure when compared to what it could be.

many people are self taught or take courses later in life.  They do fine... Hell.... I could probly scrape up some kind of degree with the 70 or so units I have taken over the years if I cared about such things.

I was not a child when I took these courses the second time around... I did not put up with any political or social bent to my math and science classes and neither did the other adults taking them with their own hard earned money and free time after working 8 or ten hours that day.... no time for that crap.

but the young musheads will listen to anyone who gets up there and preaches...  and they don't care if he is wasting their time or daddies money...  they got nothing else to do.

lazs

[storch]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Sports?

If you're educated, you're going to get a better job than if you weren't educated.  If you're educated, you're going to make better decisions than if you weren't educated.

A person has to want to be educated.  Education is simply knowing alot of stuff about alot of stuff.  School helps a person with education, but its not the total package.

come on now!! you are espousing education but won't take a single step at researching which is the most well remunerated group in America?  ahh the state of education in America is in dire straits indeed.

storch
(college dropout)

[storch]

Originally posted by Saintaw
Hollywood actors!

Storch, being rich doesn't neccesarily (?) make one smart. Smarter than me, perhaps... but not "smart".

I am like most pi**ed off at some parents of my generation. A friend's kid (4 y/old) was hitting me with a stick on my (injured) back... as I told him to stop, his mom told me not to say anything because "he is trying to get your attention, if you don't pay him attention, he will stop".

I answered that if she didn't do anything real quick, he'd get his 1st (very needed) spanking from me. Needless to say this put some kind of dent in our friendship.

come on now!!! no guessing.  research the question.  and you, you are a frenchman so you don't count. (not even with your fingers).  if a friend's kid did that to me he would be spanked as would the friend for such an assinine attitude.  

storch
(educator of friend's uneducables)

[Angus]

I usually pull kid's hair.
Kid then got attention, and will stop, yes
But the maneuver with the honey was good

[lukster]

Originally posted by lazs2
many people are self taught or take courses later in life.  They do fine... Hell.... I could probly scrape up some kind of degree with the 70 or so units I have taken over the years if I cared about such things.

Don't forget the home schooled. They are doing much better on SATs than those from public schools.

[Hawco]

Have to agree with you 100% sir, waaaaaay back in 1983, I joined up and became a paratrooper, I grew up in a neighborhood that would be considered tough today, my daily trip to school consisted of various scouting missions and moving under cover, otherwise the other school kids would spot you and the game was up, I had to virtually fight my way to school and back again.
Same after school, messing around in the public park with the other guys from my area was also risky, other gangs would venture in and it was all hands to the pump.
So rather than end up living my life like this or ending up in prison, I joined up,  Had a great time, 3 meals a day, money to buy ciggarettes and beer, Training was ok, shouted at you a few times, a few punches here and there and you were done.
Joined up with my unit and  had a great time.
I still keep in touch my some old buddies who are now Instructors and are getting ready to retire, they tell me these horror stories of kids who they want to fail passing as the numbers have to be reached, not being able to use more than 75% of their voice etc.
I remember one of them telling about some kid froze at the Grenade pit, he screwed in the detanator, pulled the clip to release the spring and then froze, normally you would end up with a sore face and/or a broken nose, but not this time... wimps? you better belive it.
Hawco

[GtoRA2]

I can see this stuff, it was a good read.


The town I grew up in had a huge park, the park had a HUGE all wooden playground with a two story wooden castle and a log chain bridge and poles to slide down, all on tanbark.


It was awsome. Sure we fell off, sure a few of us broke bones over the years. Sure we got bloodie elbows and knees, but we had fun, and no parents came anywere near the thing.


Now its all gone.

Replaced with plastic crap, and foam padding on the ground, but with nothing high enough to fall off of and  hurt yourself.


We played with real bows, I had my first gun at 12, I almost burnt my house down once, I constantly blew stuff up with fire crackers, and my dad new about most of it, but understood it was boys being boys. Hell I was driving a 350 HP car at 17 and learned how to keep in running and taken my old mans guns to the shooting range and no one cared. ( I did have to have the ammo on my so a parent had to buy it for me)

Now, minors can't shoot without a parent around.  


I see none of that, hell none of the kids I see in my current area play with each other outside at all.

Damn shame.

[Angus]

You're speaking as survivors...and luck had lots to do.

[Gh0stFT]

Originally posted by Angus
You're speaking as survivors...

Only survivors can speak at all,
and yet so many dont learn from the past,
they prefer Darwin to decide...

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Angus
You're speaking as survivors...and luck had lots to do.

LOL

No we are not. Not a single kid died in my neighborhood growing up. Broken limbs, hit by cars, rode into cars on bike, jumped bikes off home made ramps, etc, but not one death.


Speaking of bikes, I got my first BMX diamond back when I was 12, the day I got it, I pried or broke off every reflector, even the ones in the pedals.


Only wimps had reflectors.

None of us had helmets, and if one of us had, he would have gotten a beat down for being a wimp.

[mojo7]

Originally posted by lazs2
could not agree more.

We spend the first 15-18 years of our lives trying to get out of the house so that mommy can't tell us what to do "for our own good"

and then we vote for democrats to tell us what to do and tell us it isn't our fault but that they know what is best for us.

It all started when we let women have the right to vote.   They put security ahead of freedom every frigging time.

lazs

So lazs , why not run for office?

You sound like the type of guy that won't sell out,get caught,and become just another sorry jailbird.

[AquaShrimp]

Originally posted by storch
come on now!! you are espousing education but won't take a single step at researching which is the most well remunerated group in America?  ahh the state of education in America is in dire straits indeed.

storch
(college dropout)

Thats called the 'rational ignorance' effect.  Rather than spend time on something that doesn't really have an effect on me, I use my time for something more productive.

So basically, my argument in the thread is this.  We shouldn't be worried about the 'nation of wimps', but rather the 'nation of handsomehunkes'.  And by no means do you have to be a wimp in order to be educated.