I think we need another German med bmbr

[uberhun]

Dornier 217  - medium range heavy bomber since mid 1941, it carried 4 tons of bombs and since 1943 was the world's first guided weapons bomber, carrying two radio-guided 1400kg bombs or two radio-guided Hs-293 air-to-ground missiles.  How cool would it be to pull up f-6 type u hold y on a carrier and let one of those go (HS-293)

[Latrobe]

but that would suck all the fun outta sending hundreds of waves of bombers to sink their cv

[sharp8th]

[Karnak]

Ju188A-2 is much prettier and just as good, if not better.

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Karnak
Ju188A-2 is much prettier and just as good, if not better.

A high speed tactical bomber with a 6,000 lb bomb load?  Almost as fast as a Ki-67?  With over 2-1/2 times the bombload (actually more, Ki-67 listed in some sources as having 2,300 lbs ordance load -- up to 6,000 lbs in Kamakazi mode -- , not the 1,680lbs  in AHII).

Krusty will complain every week about something like that?!  Don't you pay attantion to General Discussion?!  Anti-buff crowd will       .

Originally posted byuberhun
Dornier 217 - medium range heavy bomber since mid 1941, it carried 4 tons of bombs and since 1943 was the world's first guided weapons bomber, carrying two radio-guided 1400kg bombs or two radio-guided Hs-293 air-to-ground missiles. How cool would it be to pull up f-6 type u hold y on a carrier and let one of those go (HS-293)  

Those guided bombs are probably a big reason we won't see more medium or heavy German bombers in this game.  I've argued for the He-177 before, but the same problem, guided rocket bombs.  
I doubt the AH game code could be modified for it well enough (or easily enough - expenditure of time and effort on a game that has already rolled out --- after all, how far backlogged are new game maps submitted by fans these days?).  And if the bomber exists, HTC will have to put up with daily Wish Lists for the add ons.

Why we won't see a B-25.... too many people will demand a CV-launch ability.

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Latrobe
but that would suck all the fun outta sending hundreds of waves of bombers to sink their cv

Hundreds?   Waves?  CV operations are a joke in this game.  I took out an unburning CV with a lucky hit from flight of Ki-67's one time, and have sunk several with flights of Arados (hey...I found something to spend buff perkies on finally!).  Done right, should only take ONE flight of buffs to kill any CV.

[baron7]

the ju188 isnt that much better it is 18mph faster and has a higher range and ceiling but the dornier 217 carries about 2000 pounds more bombs

[Meatwad]

I want the He-111

[Reynolds]

Pictures please?

[red26]

A little info on the  Ju188A-2
This is a nice bomber


A/C Type: Medium Recon Bomber
Engine(s): Two Jumo 213A-1w/MW-50 Boost
Eng. Pwr: 3200-3552 hp, liquid-cooled
A/C Crew: Pilot, navigator, bombadier,
radio-operator/gunner
Maximum Speed: 325 mph @ 20,500 ft
Maximum Ceiling: 33,000 / 26,000 / 18,700 ft.
Protection: Cockpit +1 Fuel +1 Engine +0
Climb Dece/ Dive Accel: 2.0 / 1.0
Weight and Load Limit: 6,615 / 10-18
Defense factor: 6 Size Modifier: +1
Damage Factor: 18/27 Endurance: 220
Cockpit View: Good Blind Area: None
Wpn Stations Weight Allowed Loads
1, 5 2,200 1x bomb or torp
2 (bombbay) 3,307 10x 70 or 3x 250 kg
3 (bombbay) 3,307 as above or Aux FT
4 (external) 4,410 4x 500 or 2x 1,000 kg
Country: Germany Service Entry Date: Feb, 1944
Class: M Victory Points: 8-16
Altitude Minimum Maximum Maximum Min Min Min Min Altitude Average
Levels Bands Speed Speed Dive Spd TT(5) HT(6) BT(-) ET(-) Levels Bands Rate of Climb
43+ UH -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 43+ UH --
37-42 EH -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 37-42 EH --
31-36 VH 3.0 5.5 9.5 4.5 6.0 -- -- 31-36 VH 200
25-30 HI 3.0 6.0 9.5 4.0 5.5 -- -- 25-30 HI 600
19-24 MH 2.5 6.5 10.0 3.5 5.0 -- -- 19-24 MH 800
13-18 ML 2.5 6.0 9.0 3.5 4.5 -- -- 13-18 ML 1,100
7-12 LO 2.5 5.5 8.0 3.0 4.5 -- -- 7-12 LO 1,200
1-6 VL 2.0 5.0 7.0 3.0 4.0 -- -- 1-6 VL 1,100
Guns Type Weapons Ammo Criticals
FG One 20mm MG151/20 8 2
TT One 20mm MG151/20 8 2
DG One 13mm MG131 mg 12 3
VG One 7.92mm MG81Z mg 12 4
Rng FG TT DG VG
0 11 22 6 8
1 8 15 4 6
2 6 10 3 4
3 4 6 2 3
4 3 4 1 2
5 2 3 1 1
6 1 2 1 --
7 -- -- -- --
(per engine)
Levels Bands 1.0 - 4.5 5.0 - 7.5 8.0 - 9.5 10.0+ Band
43+ UH -- -- -- -- UH
37-42 EH -- -- -- -- EH
31-36 VH 1.0/1.5 0.5/- -- -- VH
25-30 HI 1.5/2.0 0.5/1.0 -- -- HI
19-24 MH 2.0/2.5 1.0/1.5 -- -- MH
13-18 ML 2.5/3.0 1.5/2.0 -- -- ML
7-12 LO 2.5/3.5 1.5/2.0 -- -- LO
1-6 VL 2.5/3.5 1.5/2.0 -- -- VL
Banking FPs 2 3 5 7
Side Slip FPs 3 4 6 8
Defensive Gun Arcs
Ju188A-2: Equipped KG26 during Steinbok raids against England (1943-
1944). Roll 1-4 on 1D10, VG is an MG131 mg. Aux FT= +40 End
Ju188A-3: Torp model w/FuG 200 surf search radar. No BBs; carried 2
torps on wings.
MW-50 boost: +0.5 accel/eng for one op-scale turn or one combat. Max
level speed +0.5; roc +200.

[red26]

And some info on this bomber so every one can compare the two.
I like this one too



Do-217
Medium Bomber and Reconnaissance aircraft
Dornier  



   Dî-217 The heavy and diving bomber was projected by firm "Dornier", as a warplane of long-range of action. Do-217 Became increased version Do-215. The first flight of the new machine in August, 1938. The first production model became Do-217E; these 800 airplanes have been issued in versions from Do-217E-0 up to Do-217E-4 and equipped radial engines BMW-801. Then 950 night bombers Do-217K were built. Last model was Do-217M with engines DB-603.
   Besides prototypes and pre-series machines of bomber Do-217C, high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft Do-217P and airplane - rocket carrier Do-217R have been created.

   Specification Do 217
 
  Do217E-1/3 Do217E-2 Do217K-1 Do217M-1 Do217J-2 Do217N-1
Dimensions
Lenght, m 17.25 17.25* 17.12 17.12 17.67** 17.67**
Wing span, m 19.0 19.0 19.0 19.0 19.0 19.0
Wing area without a fuselage, m2 48.5 48.5 48.5 48.5 48.5 48.5
Wing area,including a fuselage, m2 56.7 56.7 56.7 56.7 56.7 56.7
Height in line of flight, m 4.8 4.8 4.8 4.8 4.8 4.8
Weights, kg:
Empty, kg 8590 8855 - 9065 8730 10270
Takeoff weight 15290 16465 - 16790 13180 13200
Power Plant
Engine (two) BMW 801MA BMW 801ML BMW 801D DB603A BMW 801ML DB603A
Power hp takeoff 1580 1580 1700 1750 1580 1750
at altitude 1460 1380 1440 1620 1380 1850
m 5000 4600 5700 5700 4600 2100
Performance
Maximum speed, km/h at altitude 497 515 515 560 489 515
m 5600 5200 4000 5700 5500 6000
Cruise speed, km/h at altitude 410 415 - 400 465 470
m 5200 5200 -     5400
Climb Rate min - - - 6.7 3.5 9
to altitude, m - - - 2000 1000 4000
Ceiling, m 7000 7500 - 7350 9000 8900
Range, km 2400 2300 - 2150 2050 1755
Armament
7,92-mm machine-guns 5-7 3 3*** 3*** 4 4
13-mm machine-guns no 2 2/3 2/3 2 2
15/20-mm cannons 1 1 no no 4 4
Bombs, kg Inside 2500 2500 2500 2500 no 400
Bombs, kg of all 3000 4000 4000 4000 no 400
 
 

* - without a tail air brake.
** - without radar antennas.
*** - the nose 7,9-mm twin machine gun MG 81Z was quite often replaced with 13-mm MG 131.