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soda72 · « **Reply #45 on:** September 10, 2006, 12:28:23 AM »

The US sent it's own weapons inspection team, a 150,000+ soldiers... A team that wasn't going to be denied access, or 'led around on a leash'. A team that was able to uncover the truth in couple of years instead of 13+....

Fishu · « **Reply #46 on:** September 10, 2006, 12:55:07 AM »

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Originally posted by MIShill
Fortunately Iraq's mass graves are "no big deal".

Doesn't really make any difference to todays happenings in Iraq. Nowadays Iraqis are more scared, there are many more people giving orders to kill and torture people, people have even less medicine and other goods than they had during the trade embargo and it looks like there will be a yet another dictator in the next two decades. Essentially it is beginning to look like Saddam was replaced from power only to have an another dictator step in.

I suppose the only way to maintain the peace of Islam is to torture and kill the troublemakers and their family. Only that seems to make the peaceful muslims to think twice whether to cause trouble to the regime in power.

Viking · « **Reply #47 on:** September 10, 2006, 01:03:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
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I’m afraid not.

“In fact, the Senate report found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil - more than the rest of the world put together.
"The United States was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions," the report said. "On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales. “

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,1485546,00.html

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Originally posted by Eagler
that was right before the war started - of course they were told to get out before the bombing started, I am talking about the entire timeline the inspections were suppose to be going on from the beginning of the sanctions.

Iraq was cooperating with the inspectors.

From Hans Blix’ report to the UN Security Counsil 27 January 2003:

“Iraq has on the whole cooperated rather well so far with UNMOVIC in this field. The most important point to make is that access has been provided to all sites we have wanted to inspect and with one exception it has been prompt. We have further had great help in building up the infrastructure of our office in Baghdad and the field office in Mosul. Arrangements and services for our plane and our helicopters have been good. The environment has been workable.

Our inspections have included universities, military bases, presidential sites and private residences. Inspections have also taken place on Fridays, the Muslim day of rest, on Christmas day and New Years day. These inspections have been conducted in the same manner as all other inspections. We seek to be both effective and correct.”

http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/Bx27.htm

“The commission has not at any time during the inspections in Iraq found evidence of the continuation or resumption of programs of weapons of mass destruction or significant quantities of proscribed items, whether from pre-1991 or later,”

-Hans Blix

“What surprises me, what amazes me, is that it seems the military people were expecting to stumble on large quantities of gas, chemical weapons and biological weapons.”

-Hans Blix

Yeager · « **Reply #48 on:** September 10, 2006, 04:43:07 AM »

I suppose the only way to maintain the peace of Islam is to torture and kill the troublemakers and their family. Only that seems to make the peaceful muslims to think twice whether to cause trouble to the regime in power.
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Dogs deserve better.

SirLoin · « **Reply #49 on:** September 10, 2006, 08:32:29 AM »

Hans Blix held a news conference stating that the weapons inspectors had nearly finished the job in Iraq...That in weeks,not months,the inspections would be done.

The very next day GWB held a press conference and told the world he was going to invade Iraq and the weapons inspectors had 48 hours to get out of the country.

So either GWB is a fool for not wanting a conclusive assesment of Iraq's so-called stockpiles of WMDs..

Or he already knew there were none,and that Iraq posed NO imminent threat to the USA..And that he'd better invade the country ASAP before the weapons inspectors could finish the job.(and de-bunk his only justifyable reason to go to war.)

Mr Nice · « **Reply #50 on:** September 10, 2006, 08:38:02 AM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Hans Blix held a news conference stating that the weapons inspectors had nearly finished the job in Iraq...That in weeks,not months,the inspections would be done.

The very next day GWB held a press conference and told the world he was going to invade Iraq and the weapons inspectors had 48 hours to get out of the country.

So either GWB is a fool for not wanting a conclusive assesment of Iraq's so-called stockpiles of WMDs..

Or he already knew there were none,and that Iraq posed NO imminent threat to the USA..And that he'd better invade the country ASAP before the weapons inspectors could finish the job.(and de-bunk his only justifyable reason to go to war.)

A third possibility:

Bush didn't trust that Hanx Blix was able to get an accurate idea of what Iraq had.

Back then, I remember everyone pretty much assumed Iraq had WMD. The argument/debate seemed to be more along the lines of what to do about it.

The "final, last chance" UN resolution was an example of how much Iraq was trusted.

If I had been in Bush's shoes, I'd be hard pressed not to do just what he did. Make sure.

Eagler · « **Reply #51 on:** September 10, 2006, 08:52:13 AM »

that is ok is believe Hans .. sorry I don't .. the UN is basically useless in today's world

so you guys think Iraq was just a nice friendly place, friends with the west, bending over backwards to help the UN inspectors, not paying the families of the pal cheekbones bombers, never provided funds/training/info to any terror group? Got some land to sell you when the tide goes out ..
Saddam never had tea with bin laden, bush never said he did. the war on terror is not exclusive to AQ, never was. Saddam hid his hand at the same time acting as if he were the next threat to the west or at least he wished he was. He ain't no more ..
IMO the main purpose of overthrowing his crazy arse was to establish a base of operations in the region were we can keep the other crazies in the region (Iran/Syria) under closer eye ... not for oil as many think.

Stringer · « **Reply #52 on:** September 10, 2006, 09:01:41 AM »

AQ is the only organization responsible for hitting the US.

It should be about them.

Eagler · « **Reply #53 on:** September 10, 2006, 09:13:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Stringer
AQ is the only organization responsible for hitting the US.

It should be about them.

It is as it is about others with the same mindset

x0847Marine · « **Reply #54 on:** September 10, 2006, 09:53:14 AM »

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Originally posted by MIShill
Fortunately Iraq's mass graves are "no big deal". The dead, tortured and raped in Kuwait were "no big deal". So are the millions starved to death in North Korea and the continuing genocide in Darfur. Pol Pot and Idi Amin must have been "ok" too since they did not represent any WMD threat. Again, any excuse to take him down was ok. What we REALLY needed was a few more years of UN resolutions until he chose to rearm, right?
-MI-

Taking out a brutal leader is one thing, returning the country to the stone age and letting it fester there is another. Our incompetent Govt officials can't even run this country, watching them fumble through re-building Iraq has been like watching a prison rape... that the Govt says is just "challenging sex".

If the US Govt was really concerned with abating bad governments, how about going after Govts that help hurt US citizens every day? screw protecting other countries citizens, protect US FIRST. Start by toppling one that affects us every day...start a war with Mexico.

Then start clobbering El Salvador, Columbia and put a boot in Hugo Chavez eye... criminal gang members from these countries, who are not called "terrorists" only because of political correctness, kill, maim and hurt more American citizens every day than Saddam ever did... and these criminals don't get their passports screened when slithering across the border.

Nilsen · « **Reply #55 on:** September 10, 2006, 09:59:12 AM »

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Originally posted by MIShill
Fortunately Iraq's mass graves are "no big deal". The dead, tortured and raped in Kuwait were "no big deal". So are the millions starved to death in North Korea and the continuing genocide in Darfur. Pol Pot and Idi Amin must have been "ok" too since they did not represent any WMD threat. Again, any excuse to take him down was ok. What we REALLY needed was a few more years of UN resolutions until he chose to rearm, right?
-MI-

uuuhhh... was there any controversy over liberating Kuwait?

Those other places doesn not have anything worth liberating I guess

Viking · « **Reply #56 on:** September 10, 2006, 10:38:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
that is ok is believe Hans .. sorry I don't .. the UN is basically useless in today's world

so you guys think Iraq was just a nice friendly place, friends with the west, bending over backwards to help the UN inspectors, not paying the families of the pal cheekbones bombers, never provided funds/training/info to any terror group? Got some land to sell you when the tide goes out ..
Saddam never had tea with bin laden, bush never said he did. the war on terror is not exclusive to AQ, never was. Saddam hid his hand at the same time acting as if he were the next threat to the west or at least he wished he was. He ain't no more ..
IMO the main purpose of overthrowing his crazy arse was to establish a base of operations in the region were we can keep the other crazies in the region (Iran/Syria) under closer eye ... not for oil as many think.

No matter what evidence you're confronted with you will never yield to the truth. Sadly a flaw you have in common with many Americans. You say you don't believe Hans Blix even if your own inspectors verified his findings. Blix was right, Iraq had no WMD and saying you don't believe it only makes your position that much more farcical.

Then you say the war wasn't really about WMD, but that it was about establishing a base in the region. You actually admit that the war was not legal, but a war of aggression without justifiable legal foundation.

So you do know the truth and still you align yourself with the criminals. As Iraq slides into civil war and the US occupation’s inevitable defeat grows nearer, history will judge you for what you have done.

Continuing this discussion with you would be an exercise in futility.

Eagler · « **Reply #57 on:** September 10, 2006, 11:19:50 AM »

I'd rather have our armed forces fighting the cheekboness on their turf than us chasing them around on mine

I guess the fact that we did find shells filled with wmd chemicals does not count? nor the fact the nuke program of Iraq was indeed further along than the UN or anyone thought. you are positive nothing was shipped to Syria?

I do not think Iraq will turn out as you think.
When history shows different, will you be able to admit you were wrong?

Mr Nice · « **Reply #58 on:** September 10, 2006, 11:32:32 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
As Iraq slides into civil war and the US occupation’s inevitable defeat grows nearer, history will judge you for what you have done.

As Iraq becomes a safe democracy and the US mission succeeds, perhapse you will be judged by what you have done, which is nothing.

What has your country done for world peace?

Viking · « **Reply #59 on:** September 10, 2006, 11:47:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
I'd rather have our armed forces fighting the cheekboness on their turf than us chasing them around on mine

How many Iraqi terrorists have attacked America? So what you are really saying is that you’d rather push your terrorist problem on the Iraqis. Your concern for Iraqi civilians is heartwarming.

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Originally posted by Eagler
I guess the fact that we did find shells filled with wmd chemicals does not count? nor the fact the nuke program of Iraq was indeed further along than the UN or anyone thought. you are positive nothing was shipped to Syria?

I have substantiated my statements and opinions with links to sources and quotes. You do nothing of the kind. No working WMD has been found in Iraq. Old non-functional pre-1991 shells that have been disposed of by being buried in dumps do not count. They are not weapons. Nothing was shipped to Syria. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please post it.

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Originally posted by Eagler
I do not think Iraq will turn out as you think.
When history shows different, will you be able to admit you were wrong?

Always, but I’m afraid this will not be the case in Iraq. The civilian death toll is only increasing from month to month and the violence is increasingly sectarian of nature. The total death toll is nearing 50.000 civilians killed since “Mission Accomplished” in March 2003. The day by day average death toll has increased more than 100% since 2003.