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« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2006, 11:02:01 PM »
So, will F-14s end up in private hands the way F-86s, P-51s, and so on have?  Or has there been a change in the laws that prevents them from being sold to folks with the appropriately deep pockets?
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« Reply #31 on: September 08, 2006, 11:15:37 PM »
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How was the F-14 the best stand-off fighter in the inventory?  It was equipped with sparrow, sidewinder, and phoenix missles.  Thats 2 short range fighter missles, and one long range bomber missle.  

Certainly if a phoenix missle only had a 83% chance of hitting a non-maneuvering drone, it would have next to 0% chance of hitting a maneuvering fighter.  And who knows how effective the phoenix was at anti-jamming?  The AMRAAM, if jammed, will actually home in on the source that is jamming it.  I doubt the ancient phoenix could do that.

At its prime, the F-14 only had a .91/1 thrust ratio.  The F-16, F-15, and I believe F-18 all have that beat.

Air Force F-16s used to have mock engagements with F-14s.  The F-14s were referred to as 'turkeys' because of their poor maneuverability.  Also, the energy state the F-14 was broadcast by its wings.

Really, the only thing the F-18 lacks is range.  Its proven itself in combat by performing air-to-air and air-to-ground in the same sortie.  The biggest threat to Naval fighters now is shoulder-launched missles, which the -18 is more capable than the -14 at handling.


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« Reply #32 on: September 08, 2006, 11:30:47 PM »
Uh ... what happened to the Iranian F-14s?
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« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2006, 12:10:01 AM »
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Uh ... what happened to the Iranian F-14s?


When the Iran-Iraq War started in 1980, Iran's F-14s, equipped with Phoenix missiles, capable of identifying and destroying six targets simultaneously from a range of eighty kilometers or more, inflicted heavy casualties on the Iraqi air force, which was forced to disperse its aircraft to Jordan and Oman. The capability of the F-14s and F-4s was enhanced by the earlier acquisition of a squadron of Boeing 707 tankers, thereby extending their combat radius to 2,500 kilometers with in-flight refueling.

Iranian F-14 Tomcats were used like miniature AWACS, reporting Iraqi fighter operations to Iranian air defense commanders with their powerful radars. In response, Iraqi Mirage F1-EQ fighters flew high-speed, low-altitude profiles, well below the Tomcat's radar limits. The F1-EQ would pop up directly beneath the Tomcat's orbit, briefly illuminate the F-14 with its radar, and fire one or two air-to-air missiles at it. Iran lost several Tomcats this way.

Iran began the war with Hawk surface-to-air missile defenses, though these were largely for the defense of fixed military facilities. Iran's doctrine emphasized air defense using aircraft like the F-14A. Iran failed to use its Hawks effectively during the war, failing even to mount an effective point defense of key oil facilities. This may have been affected by the disruption following the Shah's fall. There were only a few confirmed Iranian Hawk kills of Iraqi aircraft.

By 1987, however, the air force faced an acute shortage of spare parts and replacement equipment. Perhaps 35 of the 190 Phantoms were serviceable in 1986. One F-4 had been shot down by Saudi F-15s, and two pilots had defected to Iraq with their F-4s in 1984. The number of F-5s dwindled from 166 to perhaps 45, and the F-14 Tomcats from 77 to perhaps 10. The latter were hardest hit because maintenance posed special difficulties after the United States embargo on military sales.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/airforce.htm

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« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2006, 12:11:34 AM »
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Uh ... what happened to the Iranian F-14s?
I think a lot of folks believe that they are no longer airworthy due to a lack of parts.  I've heard speculation that portions of their avionics may have been disabled by technicians working for the US, turning them into expensive General Aviation.  Dunno if it's true.
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« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2006, 06:50:15 AM »
This is a good source of the iranian F-14

http://www.ospreypublishing.com/title_detail.php/title=S7875

The iranian F14 shot down more than 150 iraqi planes and VTOL in the 8 year Iran-Iraq war and only 2 (Iraqis claim 10 kills) F-14 were destroyed in air-to-air fights against the iraqis in the whole time.

Today the iranian F-14 got an new camo (i miss the old desert design) and are still flying.

Old desert camo


New grey/darkgey camo:


In the actual Zolstudmuffinhar-maneuvre iranian TV has shown formations of 2x 4 F-14 some days ago.

F14 are obsolete - but the plane is still a very impressive design.
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