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Offline Halo

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« on: September 11, 2006, 11:45:05 PM »
Might as well kick off this worn thread with the new football season, but let's try a slightly different approach.

Using my handle, consider this:  Play like someone comes up and says, Hey, I'd like to name my team the Halos.  I'll do popular caricatures of you, promote your name and symbols all over the nation and maybe the world, write fight songs about you, produce uniforms and clothing with your name on them, and generally respect and revere you by associating my family and friends and patrons with you forever, is that okay with you?

Where do I sign?

Meaning I have never understood why any Indian / Native American would not be proud of teams calling themselves by Indian names.  Braves, Warriors, Indians, Redskins, Chiefs -- all honored names of courageous people.  

Teams can be counted on to associate themselves with formidable forces.  No team calls itself the Jerks, the Idiots, or the Creeps.  Schools and teams and businesses simply do not give themselves names they are not proud of.  As Spock says, That would be illogical.  

Some schools and teams already have changed Indian-related nicknames, and every year renewed pressure in some form arises.  But from what I've read, that pressure does not always reflect the majority opinion of all or even most Indians / Native Americans, particularly in the areas affected.

Can some Aces High Native Americans update this forum on your feelings about this issue?  Are there considerations we're missing or should further explore?  I think 99.99% of people everywhere simply want to do the right thing, and this is no exception.
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 11:55:40 PM »
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Braves, Warriors, Indians, Redskins, Chiefs -- all honored names of courageous people.


The term redskins used to be considered a derogatory term for Native Americans iirc. Now I think most associate that term with the NFL Washington Redskins though, I know I do. The rest of your examples I see nothing wrong with. I never considered those as derogatory, quite the opposite. So no, I dont understand it either.

The Florida St. Seminoles actually have permission from the Seminole tribe to use Seminoles as their symbol/mascot. I believe they also consulted the Seminole tribe to be sure their mounted mascot at their games was accurate and acceptable to the tribe. Pure class on the part of Florida St. imo. :aok
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2006, 04:47:31 PM »
Except for the hiring of prison inmates for football players, FSU is a real classy joint!



Oh, and it's not if the seminoles gave FSU permission.  They just don't care if someone does something with their names.
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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2006, 05:12:01 PM »
They might not have liked their names being used as corporate symbols to make money.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2006, 05:20:41 PM »
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Oh, and it's not if the seminoles gave FSU permission. They just don't care if someone does something with their names.


Actually, I think the Seminole tribe DID give permission. I'll do some checking and see what I can come up with.

Pretty sure I saw a link on another BBS (football related) that dealt with that issue. I could be mistaken, but will let you know what I find out. :)
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2006, 05:44:10 PM »
I found it! :D

http://seminoles.cstv.com/genrel/ncaamascotletter.html

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The Seminole Tribe of Florida comprises the vast majority of those survivors in Florida, and it has supported Florida State University's use of the name informally for decades.

On June 17, 2005, the Tribal Council of the Seminole Tribe of Florida voted unanimously in favor of a written resolution to reaffirm its ongoing support of the university's use of its name and symbols. The significance of putting this resolution in writing is enhanced by the fact that traditionally the Seminole Tribe of Florida has not seen the need to commit these kinds of relationships or agreements to writing. Their word is their bond. During the presentation of that resolution to me at the Tribe's Big Cypress Reservation, Tribal Council member Max Osceola said, "We have to respect each other's views, and in the Seminole Tribe of Florida's view, you honor us by using the name Seminole."

As for the NCAA's concern about "mascots," we do not have them at the university. We use imagery in a tradition of tribute to the Florida Seminoles - namely a horse, a rider and a flaming spear - all of which were created after consultation with and the concurrence of the leadership of the Seminole Tribe of Florida.


That's actually part of a letter to the NCAA appealing the NCAAs descion to put the term *Seminoles* on a banned list.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2006, 05:47:24 PM »
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They might not have liked their names being used as corporate symbols to make money.


Most of the names are kinda generic, like Braves, Warriors, Chiefs etc. An obvious exception to that is the Florida State Seminoles.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2006, 06:17:59 PM »
Nittany is an indian name as well.  Not many people know that...
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2006, 06:19:50 PM »
Football, eeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!

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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2006, 06:21:51 PM »
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Nittany is an indian name as well.  Not many people know that...


I didn't. Nebraska is also an Indian name. IIRC it means land of running water or something similar. I saw that in a vacation brochure for the state of Nebraska, it went on to say that Nebraska had more miles of rivers, creeks and streams than any other state.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2006, 07:01:54 PM »
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Originally posted by Elfie
I didn't. Nebraska is also an Indian name. IIRC it means land of running water or something similar. I saw that in a vacation brochure for the state of Nebraska, it went on to say that Nebraska had more miles of rivers, creeks and streams than any other state.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0854966.html
actually quite a few states are Indian names,
Alabama May come from Choctaw meaning “thicket-clearers” r “vegetation-gatherers”
Alaska Corruption of Aleut word meaning “great land” or “that which the sea breaks against”
Arizona Uncertain. Perhaps from the O'odham Indian word for “little spring”
Arkansas From the Quapaw Indians
Connecticut From an Indian word (Quinnehtukqut) meaning “beside the long tidal river”
Illinois Algonquin for “tribe of superior men”
Indiana Meaning “land of Indians”
Iowa Probably from an Indian word meaning “this is the place” or “the Beautiful Land”
Kansas From a Sioux word meaning “people of the south wind”
Kentucky From an Iroquoian word “Ken-tah-ten” meaning “land of tomorrow”
Massachusetts From Massachusett tribe of Native Americans, meaning “at or about the great hill”
Michigan From Indian word “Michigana” meaning “great or large lake”
Minnesota From a Dakota Indian word meaning “sky-tinted water”
Mississippi From an Indian word meaning “Father of Waters”
Missouri Named after the Missouri Indian tribe. “Missouri” means “town of the large canoes.”
Nebraska From an Oto Indian word meaning “flat water”
North Dakota From the Sioux tribe, meaning “allies”
Ohio From an Iroquoian word meaning “great river”
Oklahoma From two Choctaw Indian words meaning “red people” South Dakota From the Sioux tribe, meaning “allies”
Tennessee Of Cherokee origin; the exact meaning is unknown
Texas From an Indian word meaning “friends”
Utah From the Ute tribe, meaning “people of the mountains”
Wisconsin French corruption of an Indian word whose meaning is disputed
Wyoming From the Delaware Indian word, meaning “mountains and valleys alternating”;

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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2006, 07:23:13 PM »
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http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0854966.html
actually quite a few states are Indian names,
Alabama May come from Choctaw meaning �thicket-clearers� r �vegetation-gatherers�
Alaska Corruption of Aleut word meaning �great land� or �that which the sea breaks against�
Arizona Uncertain. Perhaps from the O'odham Indian word for �little spring�
Arkansas From the Quapaw Indians
Connecticut From an Indian word (Quinnehtukqut) meaning �beside the long tidal river�
Illinois Algonquin for �tribe of superior men�
Indiana Meaning �land of Indians�
Iowa Probably from an Indian word meaning �this is the place� or �the Beautiful Land�
Kansas From a Sioux word meaning �people of the south wind�
Kentucky From an Iroquoian word �Ken-tah-ten� meaning �land of tomorrow�
Massachusetts From Massachusett tribe of Native Americans, meaning �at or about the great hill�
Michigan From Indian word �Michigana� meaning �great or large lake�
Minnesota From a Dakota Indian word meaning �sky-tinted water�
Mississippi From an Indian word meaning �Father of Waters�
Missouri Named after the Missouri Indian tribe. �Missouri� means �town of the large canoes.�
Nebraska From an Oto Indian word meaning �flat water�
North Dakota From the Sioux tribe, meaning �allies�
Ohio From an Iroquoian word meaning �great river�
Oklahoma From two Choctaw Indian words meaning �red people� South Dakota From the Sioux tribe, meaning �allies�
Tennessee Of Cherokee origin; the exact meaning is unknown
Texas From an Indian word meaning �friends�
Utah From the Ute tribe, meaning �people of the mountains�
Wisconsin French corruption of an Indian word whose meaning is disputed
Wyoming From the Delaware Indian word, meaning �mountains and valleys alternating�;


Interesting, didnt realize so many of our states names were derived from Indian names.
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2006, 07:47:42 PM »
Canada

Old tale that when the 'visitors' came to the New World, the chief pointed and said canada. The 'visitor' thought he meant the country when all the chief was saying was 'the village is over there'.