Author Topic: Secession  (Read 990 times)

Offline miko2d

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3177
Secession
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2000, 11:19:00 AM »
 Toad,
 You stated that New York State gets wealth transferred to it from other states through the federal income tax.
 I am saying that statement is a lie and that New York state is a net loser - it pays more money to the federal government then it recieves from it - about $1000 per person a year.
 That is all I am saying.

 That has nothing to do with proposed refunds  (or lack thereof) to individuals. I am not arguing about that and I support Bush, being close to the top of the distribution you mentioned and earning every penny. But what does federal tax refund/cut has to do with the state? Even Gore said nothing about his refund applying differently to different states.
 You mixed two unrelated issues in one post and I only have problem with one of them.

 Cabby:
 Care to name the numbers? So New York needed financial bailout once. Some states needed flood or hurricane relief, LA needed help with riot damage.
 Are you sure that, say, over the last 10, 20, 50 years New York got more money than it paid?
 I do not have any particular love to New York State, it being a democratic stronhold, full of welfare recepients and liberal millionaires.
 But I hate lies and unsubstantiated statements even more.

 Also, if North East was not prepared for the sudden jump in oil prices, we will be next year. The release of the Oil Reserves was in my opinion totally unnecessary and insignificant. Just a political move on Clinton's part. If you think we are short on oil here, you should see all those SUVs cramming our highways!
 Besides, that oil was sold at the top of the market prices, not donated. So the fed must have made a profit on that transaction!

 What about a bunch of idiots that live in areas that get hit with hurricanes and foods and fires and tornadoes every year while there is plenty sparcely-populated good land in US? Why wouldn't they move somewhere safe? It would cost less to move them once then to help them every year. We could actually cut the number of states in half then - fewer senators and congressmen!
 Of course if they insist on living in those god-forsaken places, let them do it at their expense.

 Guys,
 I appreciate you all trying to support the republican cause, but face it - a few democrats here (Leonid, etc.) sound much more convincing then you because they do their homework and care to study the subject before arguing it.

 Just think before you post unsubstantiated crap - you are hurting the cause, not helping it. There are lots of real arguments to support republicans, no need to come up with lies and guesses!

 miko

Offline sling322

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3510
Secession
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2000, 11:40:00 AM »
woohoo...secession from the union!!!

Offline Dnil

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 879
Secession
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2000, 11:46:00 AM »
sigh, you believe they bring facts?


ick, surprised they let you guys vote.

------------------
Dnil---Skyhawk until I get Dnil back :)
Maj. 900th Bloody Jaguars
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer

Offline Fatty

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3885
      • http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com
Secession
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2000, 12:44:00 PM »
Don't worry SOB, if Texas leaves the union I'll be moving.  No way in hell I'm paying import tax on Beer and Wings.

Offline easymo

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1640
Secession
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2000, 01:13:00 PM »
 double

[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 11-14-2000).]

Offline easymo

  • Parolee
  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1640
Secession
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2000, 01:14:00 PM »
 Fatty. Texas has a couple of fine brewers. And if you have to catch your own chickens. You might be able to change your name to Lanky

[This message has been edited by easymo (edited 11-14-2000).]

Offline Fatty

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3885
      • http://www.fatdrunkbastards.com
Secession
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2000, 01:18:00 PM »
Right easymo, shiner bock is good stuff, and honey brown lager ain't bad neither.  Of course a chicken is still a chicken, but, buffalo wings just aren't right if you don't use louisiana hot sauce.

Offline Baddawg

  • Zinc Member
  • *
  • Posts: 78
      • http://www.dogfighter.com
Secession
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2000, 01:38:00 PM »
Any way Canada could work out a trade ?
Something like Quebec for Florida, or California?

 Then Quebec would be happy leaving Canada and the rest of Canada would be happy to have a warm vacation spot that was Canadian soil  

Offline Toad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 18415
Secession
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2000, 09:57:00 PM »
Miko,

What you agree with is EXACTLY what I am talking about!  

Miko:

That has nothing to do with proposed refunds (or lack thereof) to individuals. I am not arguing about that and I support Bush, being close to the top of the distribution you mentioned and earning every penny. But what does federal tax refund/cut has to do with the state? Even Gore said nothing about his refund applying differently to different states.
You mixed two unrelated issues in one post and I only have problem with one of them.


My first post and those that follow specifically talk about Gore's proposed tax plan.

Under Gore's plan, the money for the Transfer Of Wealth to the lower income groups is going to come DIRECTLY from the higher income taxpayers (there's fair for ya, AL! or does he only worry about fairness in ballots that name him for Prez?).

I haven't gone looking for stats, but intuition tells me that the largest groups of these "Free Lunch" recipients is going to be found in the high density population areas, like big cities.

Further, I suspect that it's going to take Transfers of Wealth from lower population areas (out-state areas) to supply enough money to pay off all of Gore's supporters.

As I said, I haven't gone looking for stats. If you have some that would indicate I'm way off base, I'd love to see them. It would make me feel better.  
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!

Offline Sancho

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1043
      • http://www.56thfightergroup.com
Secession
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2000, 07:48:00 AM »
 
Quote
Constitution of the State of Texas (1866):

Be it ordained by the people of Texas in Convention assembled, That we acknowledge the supremacy of the Constitution of the United States, and the laws passed in pursuance thereof; and that an ordinance adopted by a former Convention of the people of Texas on the 1st day of February, A. D. 1861, entitled "An Ordinance to dissolve the Union between the State of Texas and the other States, united under the compact styled "Constitution of the United States of America," be and the same is hereby declared null and void; and the right heretofore claimed by the State of Texas to secede from the Union, is hereby distinctly renounced.
Passed 15th March 1866.
http://www.law.utexas.edu/constitutions/text/FOrd01.html

 
Quote
US Supreme Court, Texas v. White, 1868:

6. When Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States. --Salmon Chase
http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/historic_idx/74_700.htm

[This message has been edited by Sancho (edited 11-15-2000).]

Offline Lance

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1316
Secession
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2000, 09:55:00 AM »
Alright, I have to ask, since if Texas secedes I am headed out the door and back to America...

If a bunch of states were to secede, does America have to quit saying it won the cold war? Would it be a tie?  Or would we still win based on the fact that we splintered last? Or would it go to a count of new nations spawned, with the country spawning the most new nations being declared the loser?  

Gordo