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Offline Saintaw

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Question to ANDY Bush (Relative to Gunsight)
« on: May 12, 2000, 05:30:00 AM »
I was re-reading your article again today & looking at the pictures (Very clear explanations, if I may add...).

I have a Question regarding AH Vs Gunsight Ring size...

( Look at picture here for understanding the reference I speak of  )

Can we apply this (see link above) to AH, since in AH, the Diameter of the Ring (Gunsight vis range cue) will change, not relatively to the sight U are using, but to the plane you fly. (IE, I use the diamond sight on all planes, notice the difference in siZe between the view in the Nikki & the view in the FW190 !)

How can I estimate range compared to plane size in the ring ?

NB: This is of course more relevant when we are flying the ICONLESS events...
 

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Offline Andy Bush

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Question to ANDY Bush (Relative to Gunsight)
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2000, 02:38:00 PM »
Saintaw

Good question.

The use of stadiametric ranging requires two things...the aiming reticle must be the correct size as seen by the pilot, and the reticle must be sized to a specific sized target. Old style sights had an adjustment where the pilot could set the desired wingspan. This then would allow the gunsight computer to vary the size of the reticle.

In the old 'ring and bead' sights, the alignment of the pipper in the ring relative to the bead was the main objective. When the pilot adjusted his head such that he could match up the pipper and bead, he knew he was looking along the gunline. The gun(s) were then harmonized to fire through this reference at a given distance. This was, of course, a one G setting, and its use in the air required a lot of 'Kentucky windage'. I don't think the relative size of the ring was used for much insofar as ranging is concerned.

The AH sight (the one I use is the crosshairs) could be used for accurate ranging. This sight looks very much like the sight I used in the A-10. Of course, in the Hog, the sight size was an exact size in mils...as a result, it could be easily used to judge range on anything from tanks to aircraft. All we needed to know was the actual size of the tank or aircraft in feet.

But, to do so in AH, we would need to know the gunsight mil size. Let's say the crosshairs is 30 mils wide. Then, the width of the crosshairs would span 30 feet at a range of 1000 feet. If you had a target with a wingspan of 30 feet, the crosshairs would equal the wingspan at 1000 feet, and at 300 feet would span about 1/3 of the wingspan.

From what I've seen so far, the actual appearance of the targets in AH appear to be considerably smaller than they would actually look like in real life. I've learned to disregard my 'eyeball' and trust the icon range.

One additional problem is the ability to 'zoom' the forward view in and out. For the sight to be a reliable indices for stadiametric ranging, the sight size would have to be a constant size relative to our monitor...and not to the cockpit.

Andy

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Question to ANDY Bush (Relative to Gunsight)
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2000, 03:15:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Andy Bush:

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The use of stadiametric ranging requires two things...the aiming reticle must be the correct size as seen by the pilot, and the reticle must be sized to a specific sized target.
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I'm somewhat ignorant on this subject but in order for this to work properly wouldn't the distance from your eyeball to the sight have to be fixed as well? Or is it sort of "averaged" out in a real aircraft?

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Question to ANDY Bush (Relative to Gunsight)
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2000, 05:21:00 PM »
Blur

Exactly. That is the problem that I am referring to in my last paragraph.

Andy