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« Reply #45 on: September 20, 2006, 11:11:11 AM »
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What is your wifes major problem with your mother?  If I were in your situation, I would ask of my wife to reconcile with my mother, and if that was not possible, then I would end the relationship


I have asked, but it's never worked. Even before they ever met, the wife was convinced that they(my parents) would hate her. It was a fear that she constantly told me about. Of course when they did meet, almost a year after Irina and I got together, Irina, the then future wife, took every sign, word, gesture and joke to mean that they do, in fact, despise her. They never dispised her. They showered her with gifts, tried to become friends with her, drank withher, laughed with her...no matter, everything they did was somehow underhanded. One time, I remember, after visiting them at their home, my mother tried to give us some food to take home with us. I didn't hear the end of it. It was as if my mother was trying to invade our lives, take charge, subjugate the wife, take over her roll, everything. She as just trying to give us food. My mother, besides being that, is also a grandmother to my nephews. She does stuff like that, and I value it. And if it's not valued, it should, at the very least, be taken for what it is, and not read-into fifteen layers deep. Nevertheless, that was a slap in the face, and so were countless other acts. The bottom line--the ideas that Irina had to begin with never changed. She just found ways to reinforce her beliefs. She's a master of convincing herself that she's right, and there's no way to convince her otherwise.

I definitely tried to make her happy. Made the phone calls more rare. Made the visits more seldom. Nothing was enough. Nothing short of a total break. At that I draw the line. Again, not even so much because I need my folks or they need me, but because the request is not indicative of the love and respect I think I deserve from her. I would never ask her to ditch her folks, as idiotic as I find them to be sometimes, I understand that they are unique and not to be trifled with. Incidentally, her contact with her parents is at least 5 fold what mine is with my folks. It can be irritating, occasionally, but, at the end of the day, I'm glad she has that much more love in her life.

At this point, my mother is a fascist who's bent on destroying me, my marriage and my wife's sanity. They haven't spoken in months, and yet the evil that my mother, my entire family, for that matter, represents, grows daily. Irina's brain is in the process of nuclear fission. The chain reaction has begun, it's heat and explosive potential is growing by the nanosecond, and there's no stopping it.

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Perfection here.   Couldn't agree more.   My added advice, do NOT reconcile.


Well, as far as maturity goes, I'm not about to vouch for my ageless wisdom. I have a ton to learn, without a doubt. I dealt withmy jealousy and, for the most part, tamed it. Nevertheless, I didn't make ultimatums, I didn't resort to blackmail. All I asked for was peace, for which I made plenty of changes, both inside my mind in my life as a whole. Was I ready for this? Perhaps not. I doubt that most people are ready for marriage when they engage in it. It is something you grow into, to a certain extent. Make all the conclusions you want in this regard, but the issue here is an untenable situation brought on by an unacceptable request. My major fault here was my inability/unwillingness to make the choice I was asked. If that's immature, then so am I.
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« Reply #46 on: September 20, 2006, 11:23:52 AM »
BTW, did I mention that she owns a Chihuahua?

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« Reply #47 on: September 20, 2006, 11:30:53 AM »
Chihuaha alone means you need to move on.

I still think there's something more you're not telling us. You only talk to your mother a few times a week, for 2-3 minutes, and that's too much for your wife?

Either way I echo the others in this thread. You need some time alone, preferrably doing something productive that will keep your mind busy. It's easy after a separation to start forgetting the bad and aching for the good.

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« Reply #48 on: September 20, 2006, 12:18:27 PM »
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Chihuaha alone means you need to move on.

I still think there's something more you're not telling us. You only talk to your mother a few times a week, for 2-3 minutes, and that's too much for your wife?

Either way I echo the others in this thread. You need some time alone, preferrably doing something productive that will keep your mind busy. It's easy after a separation to start forgetting the bad and aching for the good.


No, Engine, apparently 1 time a month is too much. Whatever information I'm withholding is just detail describing just how ugly it got, and to what depths the both of us sunk trying to bring this absurd problem to some resolution. I am certainly guilty of trying to defend my parents' intentions towards the wife. I should not have been defending anyone, ever. For once she became convinced of their guilt, the decision is final and without potential reprieve. Any defense was tantamount to treachery on my part, for which I am now paying.

As for time alone, doing something productive. I think my status as a first-year law school student gives me plenty of distraction from everything. I currently live alone, I go to class, study 4-6 hours a day on top of that, and, in my idle time, talk to you guys try to make sense of the rest of my life. All things considered, I have little to complain about.

Things could always be better, but they could also be far worse.

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« Reply #49 on: September 20, 2006, 12:33:14 PM »
This whole, "lovelife advice from the intarnets", thing is kinda silly.  Sad too, but mostly silly.

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« Reply #50 on: September 20, 2006, 02:17:36 PM »
Personally, I would have countered with your own ultimatum.

It's been my experience that they'll never accept yours, so you basically put the ball back in their court.

Something like "Ok, I won't talk to my mom ever again, as long as you sex me up every day"

As a BDG (Bitter Divorced Guy), I have to say I'm pretty sick of the BS that most women think they can get away with.  My personal favorite is when they make you a "list" of things they want you to do around the house...

...for some reason, they never like the "list" I give them back of stuff I want them to do in the sack! :D

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« Reply #51 on: September 20, 2006, 03:37:29 PM »
Is your wife's last name LaFave?

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« Reply #52 on: September 20, 2006, 03:50:38 PM »
I'm going to need to see some pictures before I can give proper advice. (Not your mom sicko)

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« Reply #53 on: September 20, 2006, 07:16:12 PM »
Tried telling mom to mind her own business?

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« Reply #54 on: September 20, 2006, 08:48:36 PM »
Neubob,

Have you two seen a marriage counselor yet?  If not, you need to before you write this off.  Believe it or not.. there are going to be times when just because you and her don't have a solution for something wont mean there isn't an answer.

I think it was Saint Augustine that said "Treat every man as if his heart is breaking because it probably is".

It sounds like your wife is in emotional pain because of an issue that you have no idea about but might have a chance to be identified and fixed.  

She might not feel like the primary woman in your life... or she may feel like you mother doesnt think she is good enough for you and doesnt know how to handle those feelings?  Of course that doesnt mean you or your mother has done anything to make her feel that way... but she may feel that way none the less because of some other issue.  This is something that a conselor might be able to identify and help bring to light so it can be addressed.  

There is a REASON that she is having this problem so don't just put a label on her like "she's nuts" or "she's this or that" so you can justify saying "Oh well  I tried" and give up on your marriage...  you have expressed that you love her...  Use your head or an experts head/experience to see if you can find out where this is really coming from.  You made a vow of for better or for worse.. see a freakin doctor first for goodness sake.


It could just be immaturity... but if she doesnt defeat whatever demon it is that is making her feel that way now... she will have to later or always let it own her.  That goes for you too.  If you don't kick the jealesy issue..  in your own head... you'll have to later or you'll always have to fight it.

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« Reply #55 on: September 20, 2006, 08:53:25 PM »
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Plain and simple, wife or mom.... Thing is, I'm close with both my parents, always have been, and such a change, while theortically concievable, is impossible to visualize. Yes, I'm mad that she could even ask for such a thing, but I love her, and I'm supposed to be able to do anything for her, right?



WRONG

 As my father would say
"ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR (*%()#)@ _@ MIND??
If she asked you to blow your brains out. or run your arm across a running tablesaw. Would you because you loved her and should vbe able to do anything for her??

No. Why? because its unhealthy for you.
Same thing. Its unhealthy for you.

Shes a control freak. Do not walk. Run I say RUN as fast as you can. As far as you can now.

Anyone who realy cares about you will never seek to seperate you from those you care about
I dont give a damn what kind of relationship it is. This is wrong and just plain unhealthy

Typically a control freak will not start out that way. And will usually seem like and all around good and caring person.
But eventually and gradually over time will seek to gain more and more control over you. Limiting gradually what you can do and whom you can accociate with.
Usualy starts with friends first. typically but not always under the guise they arent any good and will always point out the bad parts or parts they dont like. Often claiming THESE people ar seeking to control you.

Thhen they move on and on eventually trying both overtly and covertly often working both sides to seperate you from your your family.
they will work on your mind in subtle ways so as to make you see these people as being unhealthy for you untill you actually start to beleive it or worry that if you dont leave these people this person will leave you.
By the time you realise your trapped. your trapped.

I know someone else very dear to me headed down the same path and about to make the same mistake.
I doubt they will listen and the cost in the end will be high.

Get the hell out while you still can.

You can replace the girlfriend. Nobody can replace your family
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« Reply #57 on: September 20, 2006, 09:10:13 PM »
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Personally, I would have countered with your own ultimatum.

It's been my experience that they'll never accept yours, so you basically put the ball back in their court.

Something like "Ok, I won't talk to my mom ever again, as long as you sex me up every day"

As a BDG (Bitter Divorced Guy), I have to say I'm pretty sick of the BS that most women think they can get away with.  My personal favorite is when they make you a "list" of things they want you to do around the house...

...for some reason, they never like the "list" I give them back of stuff I want them to do in the sack! :D


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« Reply #58 on: September 20, 2006, 10:34:07 PM »
Telling mom to mind her business was step one. We're about a hundred steps past that now. Did the marriage counselor bit, which calmed things for a while, but only for a while. I would be more than willing to try again, if she were open to the idea. At this point, her mind is a closed vault, with all views utterly solidified. Regardless,I will see her this weekend, and will try to bring up the idea. Her usual retort of 'what's the point', will require some new and imaginative answers.
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« Reply #59 on: September 20, 2006, 11:14:52 PM »
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I'm not giving ultimatums. For that matter, I'm don't let my jealousy go to my head. It's there, occasionally, but I think twice before ever letting it affect my behavior. I try to treat her with kindness and respect, and more than anything, understanding. Yes, I do insist on maintaining a relationship with my folks. They're not perfect but they gave me life, afterall, to say nothing of everything that they've given me since.

I did envision myself with her for the rest of my life. She was always stubborn and spoiled rotten, but in my mind, I turned those flaws into qualities I adored. She was perfect. I trusted and cherished her, and believed she would grow into a wonderful partner and mother. She always had brains, if not rationality. I figured it was just a matter of time before reason prevailed.

This, however, makes my head spin. I cannot answer her because it dignifies the request. I will not ask the same thing of her because I think it's silly. At the same time, I'm horrified of losing her for good. If nothing else, the separation taught me that I don't want that.



Here is your problem in a nutshell:
"I trusted and cherished her, and believed she would grow into a wonderful partner and mother."

You dont hope someone will grow into a wonderful partner.
If she isnt a wonderful partner now then you have picked the wrong person.
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