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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2006, 06:31:43 AM »
Well that could be an area you need to improve in, throttle control.

Yanking back on the yoke gives an enemy trailing you a pretty big target to hit, chopping throttle and some heavy rudder slowes you but doesn't give them a bigger target. After an over shoot, firewall the throttles and she'll come back to life. Its a great maneuver that works on all but the best pilots.

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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2006, 06:52:40 AM »
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That made my day, Nick, thank you. Let me know if there is anything else I can do for you...
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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2006, 06:58:04 AM »
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If you need to bleed speed, simply pull back on the yoke.  This is a much more efficient way of ridding yourself of excess speed.


In AH, the best way to rid yourself of extra speed in the P38 is as they did historically; by using cross controls- full rudder port or starboard, ailerons 30% in the opposite direction with a little positive elevator.

I fly the P38J 99% of the time and I cannot rely on dive brakes, this works and is simple enough to do.
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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2006, 07:03:14 AM »
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chopping throttle and some heavy rudder slowes you but doesn't give them a bigger target.


I'd recommend a roll to force them to overshoot, just make sure you always have your thin side view pointed at the enemy instead of the top down aspect. Start vertical and force them to pull too much G to get a shot, this is best initiated 600-800 out. The slower you are, the easier it is for you to take advantage of this...
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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2006, 08:12:01 AM »
I haven't touched the dive flaps in Aces High, barring my first day when I tried them out to see how they were modelled.  And the only time I use cross controls to slow down is when landing.  I try to never lose energy unless I trade it for a very good angle.  Instead of using drag to rid myself of energy in the form of excess speed, I prefer to trade the speed for altitude.  In a stall fight, I pull back on the stick until I'm at about a hundred miles per hour and slowly scissors back and forth.  It usually works if my opponent and I are at the same energy state.  Here's a video clip of it in action.  As you can see in the video, it's not at all a good idea when there are multiple enemies, but it works very well against one.
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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2006, 07:42:28 PM »
yea i need throttale control help its either off or firewalled in a fight. Plus, in those low and slow fights is what I really need help on is flap control I usually put all or nothing. I can handle spit16's and stuf and sometimes A6M2's but those dang hurri's give me trouble.:D
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2006, 02:15:04 AM »
Scroll down on this thread and read my post.  I give some tips that might help you get the hang of the flaps.



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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2006, 02:52:44 AM »
Fly the 38G.  It's the best of the bunch :)

OK so its my favorte anyway.  Turns like a dream.  Obviously not as fast, but in a low and slow fight on the deck, it does wonders.

Del, despite his claims to the contrary does wonders in the J as do any number of other 38 sticks.  The other reason I fly the G is they're faster then me and I can hide behind em going into the fight :)

Agree with him on slowing down.  No dive brakes in my G but a little cross controlling slows it right down.
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« Reply #38 on: September 27, 2006, 06:22:45 AM »
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I'd recommend a roll to force them to overshoot, just make sure you always have your thin side view pointed at the enemy instead of the top down aspect. Start vertical and force them to pull too much G to get a shot, this is best initiated 600-800 out. The slower you are, the easier it is for you to take advantage of this...


Agreed, but I was just using that as an example of one use of throttle usage. There are a bazillion manuvers that use throttle usage, but I really hate to type alot    :D

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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2006, 11:05:45 AM »
What's cross controlling?
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« Reply #40 on: September 27, 2006, 01:47:11 PM »
Forgive the cut and paste..

In AH, the best way to rid yourself of extra speed in the P38 is as they did historically; by using cross controls- full rudder port or starboard, ailerons 30% in the opposite direction with a little positive or negative elevator.
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« Reply #41 on: September 27, 2006, 06:09:30 PM »
Ahh. I may already be doing that. I'll practice it.
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« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2006, 01:13:46 PM »
hey del!

thank you so much for the 38 training on thursday!  although i had trouble on the convergence stuff, you still made it simple and easy to understand.  you saw the 4 kills that i landed in the late war but the missed the 4 other i landed in the p38g in the early war arena.  i made enough perk points that run to replace to one i lost the next sortie after i got bounced by a 15k hurri (freakin hurries).  i still learned alot and i noticed a considerable difference in the handling of the p38 from the training and advice you gave me.  hell, it even helped me with my 109f4 piloting.  ladies and gentleman, del is a great pilot and he is great in 38, but he can teach you so much more then just the 38.  the taught me the 38 and how to stay alive in it, but he also made me a better pilot in the process.  del, if the Navy paid me more i would pay you for your services but for now you'll just have to settle for a couple of beer after i turn 21 .

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« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2006, 02:07:30 PM »
I am very pleased that you benefited from the time, ScorpCH... feel free to look me up again when you've had some time in the P38.

Oh, and no need to pay me anything, the fact you had fun and you're serving this country is more than enough.  :)
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« Reply #44 on: October 11, 2006, 01:13:26 PM »
i would like to echo what scorpch has posted. i appreciate the time delirium has worked with me in my sad attempts on riding the lightin. back to the TA with me. and thank you.