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Offline Treize69

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has the AvA become redundant?
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2006, 12:18:24 AM »
Some of us will keep coming back to the AvA when we get sick of seeing the same thing every night in the "new" MAs, but for now theres enough thats changed that its almost like new again.

I'm having to rediscover how to fight early war planes with early war planes, its not as simple as just avoiding the late-war speed demons. Had some great 1 v 1 fights in both the early and mid so far- incidentally several of which were with old-hands from the AvA. Late-war is teh suk.

AvA won't die, its just on life support for a while.
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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2006, 11:29:59 AM »
Might be the AvA hasn’t given MA squad COs a reason to do their squad nights in the AvA for a long time and once they get out of the habit of flying an arena, you’ve lost them. IMHO the AvA has a lot of blinding historical AH baggage.

The AvA is as much about events as the SEA and they complement each other. There are things you can do in the AvA we can’t do in the SEA, like leaving a terrain up.  We can’t keep an ongoing event/“war” up in the SEA, there’s always another event scheduled which needs the arena.  That’s a huge advantage for the AvA.

At it’s heyday, a squad CO could plan on taking his guys to the AvA every Thursday night to take part in a large (usually bomber) event with good dogfights leading up to the raid and more afterward.  That had people in the habit of checking you out, but now with the rps, aversion to “milkrunning toolshedders” and the lack of focus on the best assets, the AvA has become an empty arena with no central event to draw people back.  IMO it can’t keep trying to compete as a “Combat Theater” with the growing popularity of the DA and the new MAs.

My advice would be to start by picking a night of the week and see if you can design an “event” around your planeset each week.  If you can design a fun event and put the needed set of toys in the sandbox on that night for months on end, you’ll have no trouble attracting squads, COs and players to the arena and it will be worth the server time again.
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« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2006, 12:10:31 PM »
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AvA won't die, its just on life support for a while.


The AvA has been on life support for the last three years.   Many have put a lot of blood sweat and tears to keep it going, but the AvA community is in denial about this arena.  If this arena was a horse it would have been shot by now...

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2006, 04:18:42 PM »
Well I keep holding out for this Combat Tour thingy to kick in , it would cause me to have to donate $ to AH again , The AvA arena was always my fav , but too few players & and lack of somethin new made it dull . :rolleyes:

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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2006, 09:29:31 AM »
As a brand spanking new player coming over from WWIIOL I must say I'm extremely disappointed in the current status of the AvA arena.  This is exactly the style of gameplay that I'm looking for, and yet there's nobody on the server.  Nuts.

As for the maps being stale, there's a solution for that which would only involve switching out the available equipment, rather than a whole new map.

For example, take your "Battle of Britain" map.  Sure, you can use it to play out the battle of Britain with Spits and Hurries vs 109s, 110's and some bombers.  But here's some other scenarios you could play:

Operation sealion:  Same equipment as BoB, but add an attacking german naval force.  Allow ground vehicles to spawn once the Germans have captured a Brit airfield.

Dieppe:  '42 equipment (Folk Wolfes and Spits), and the BRITS have an attacking naval force (with tanks).

Normandy:  '44 equipment (Americans AND Brits vs Germans), and the Allies have an attacking Naval force.  Allies may attack with tanks, the Germans can only have them once the Allies capture an airfield on the mainland.


All 3 of these scenarios can be added using the existing BoB map.


Appologies if this has already been mentioned or done before.  Like I said, I'm new here... :)


As for the original poster, no, the AvA arena is NOT redundant because there are some people like myself who like historical matchups.  Spit V vs Spit V is just as boring as P51 vs P51.  109 vs Spit is the more interesting setup, IMHO.

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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2006, 11:21:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Rameusb5
Operation sealion:  Same equipment as BoB, but add an attacking german naval force.  Allow ground vehicles to spawn once the Germans have captured a Brit airfield.

Dieppe:  '42 equipment (Folk Wolfes and Spits), and the BRITS have an attacking naval force (with tanks).

Normandy:  '44 equipment (Americans AND Brits vs Germans), and the Allies have an attacking Naval force.  Allies may attack with tanks, the Germans can only have them once the Allies capture an airfield on the mainland.


All 3 of these scenarios can be added using the existing BoB map.


Welcome to AH, always good to get new blood.

The scenarios you outlined have all been done in one form or another and several more that you didnt mention, but they dont get in the rotation on a regular basis like BoB or FinnRus.

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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2006, 01:57:51 PM »
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Welcome to AH, always good to get new blood.

The scenarios you outlined have all been done in one form or another and several more that you didnt mention, but they dont get in the rotation on a regular basis like BoB or FinnRus.


LoL, woops!  Ok then...:p

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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2006, 09:56:03 PM »
If we had the complete and proper planesets for each period(And do away with the hokey stand-ins) the AvA would have players in it. That arena is about immersion, and you can't have it when you're flying F4F-4's against yak-9's and LA-5FN's, when it should be Brewster F2A's against LaGG-3's, MiG-1's, or I-16's.

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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2006, 10:29:20 PM »
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LoL, woops!  Ok then...:p


Oh, its no problem. :)

Another one I didnt mention was Dunkirk, which is something like BoB but we made the single port of Dunkirk an Allied base. It was very similar to BoB since the planeset was the same, but the slight twist of having the Allied land base there was interesting.