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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2006, 06:30:27 PM »
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I remember several months ago we had a short discussion on how well you liked your V-6 Camaro.  It seems you've finally realized the error of your ways!

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Well, yes and no.  I was perfectly happy with that car as a daily driver considering gas mileage and maintenance were very easy on my wallet yet it still had enough power to keep me satisified.  OTH, this car is just rocketship in disguise.  And handling, while a little tricky, is something that like eagl said, once you learn the quirks of the suspension geometry in a given situation, is quite rewarding.  I can see how kids with little driving experience can get in trouble very quickly in this type of car.
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« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2006, 06:37:33 PM »
Im not familiar with the history of camaros but do late generation camaros handle and ride like euro and jap cars?

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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2006, 06:47:44 PM »
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Im not familiar with the history of camaros but do late generation camaros handle and ride like euro and jap cars?


Not even close.

The best way to sum up how they handle is lots of understeer (tight)followed by a gob of oversteer (loose).  Suspension geometry can be changed to make this effect better but in the hands of a capable driver they can use this perceived "weakness" as a strength.
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« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2006, 10:37:43 PM »
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eddiek,

  My dad has a Ford F350 to pull his 5th wheel camper.  He bought the truck cause diesel was cheaper at the time and for better fuel mileage than his gas truck.  When he bought it was bone stock.  Got about 14mpg +/- just by adding the CAI (cold air intake) he gained up to 6mpg.  He pulled the camper on a trip this summer and with the camper in tow he was up to 14mpg. Empty it is more like 19-21.  He is planning on adding bigger exhaust and a computer addon(can't think of what they are called now where you can reprogram the computer with 1 button on the fly).  All just to gain him some MPG and a little HP pulling the trailer.  He doesn't want a hotrod but a well tuned work horse and he is in his 60s :)   If you can get the CAI then go for it and enjoy the benefits of a couple of extra HP and some more mileage.


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Rocket go here about halfway down the page. i have a cat c16 in my kw and am getting 1050hp to the drivers and 5 mpg. that grossed out at 80,000. wasnt cheap but fun never is
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« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2006, 06:06:32 AM »
tikky,

Think of it this way - what euro cars try to do with refinement, efficiency, and little design quirks like not having cup holders, the camaro and firebird do about as well by doubling the engine displacement and using tires that are twice as wide.  Why double the price of the car when you can get the same performance on the open road by doubling engine displacement at a fraction of the cost?

My firebird gets the same gas mileage as a BMW 3 series sedan, so don't try the inefficiency argument either ;)  GM did their homework with the engineering behind the last generation camaro/firebird, but the image just wasn't there so people bought slower mustangs that looked cooler instead.  I prioritized performance over styling and ended up with a firebird, because when I bought my car, very few cars anywhere NEAR it's price range could beat it on any track, dragstrip, or roadcourse.  Until around 2002, nothing on the market under $50k could touch it for overall performance.

But no, it doesn't drive or handle like a euro or japanese car.  Even a monster BMW 7 series *feels* tighter.  But a well driven camaro/firebird is a very fast car indeed.

As an aside, try naming production cars from ANY country that will do an honest 159 mph straight from the factory floor, verified by multiple auto magazine tests.  To make it challenging, limit yourself to cars that cost less than $30,000.  I'll start your list...  The 1998 and newer V8 Camaro and Firebird, indepentently tested by both car and driver and motortrend up to redline in 5th gear at 159 mph, with a $26,500 retail price for a fully loaded 1998 Trans-Am.

I've had mine to 140 before common sense prevailed...
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« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2006, 12:38:29 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2006, 06:39:12 PM »
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tikky,

Think of it this way - what euro cars try to do with refinement, efficiency, and little design quirks like not having cup holders, the camaro and firebird do about as well by doubling the engine displacement and using tires that are twice as wide.  Why double the price of the car when you can get the same performance on the open road by doubling engine displacement at a fraction of the cost?

My firebird gets the same gas mileage as a BMW 3 series sedan, so don't try the inefficiency argument either ;)  GM did their homework with the engineering behind the last generation camaro/firebird, but the image just wasn't there so people bought slower mustangs that looked cooler instead.  I prioritized performance over styling and ended up with a firebird, because when I bought my car, very few cars anywhere NEAR it's price range could beat it on any track, dragstrip, or roadcourse.  Until around 2002, nothing on the market under $50k could touch it for overall performance.

But no, it doesn't drive or handle like a euro or japanese car.  Even a monster BMW 7 series *feels* tighter.  But a well driven camaro/firebird is a very fast car indeed.

As an aside, try naming production cars from ANY country that will do an honest 159 mph straight from the factory floor, verified by multiple auto magazine tests.  To make it challenging, limit yourself to cars that cost less than $30,000.  I'll start your list...  The 1998 and newer V8 Camaro and Firebird, indepentently tested by both car and driver and motortrend up to redline in 5th gear at 159 mph, with a $26,500 retail price for a fully loaded 1998 Trans-Am.

I've had mine to 140 before common sense prevailed...


suspension mods give u solid handling, i have seen old third gens do pretty good on auto cross with mods. BUt as far as engineering goes i think ur giveing gm too much credit. They havet started designing engines yesterday, and with the race pedigree of the corvette they have the know how to make it work. I except to perform well, nothin to praise them about, this is how it should be, as for the price 26,500 sticker u havent counted jerk dealer tax which makes it 30+. AS for the mustang, its a good car, and isnt much slower then the ls1 it was just cheaper then the overly hyped camaro.

Yea i agree about feul eff. that 350z eats gas no matter is its a v6 or not.
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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2006, 07:56:17 PM »
Eagl
 Hasn't it been a 6 speed manual since the first 4th gens came out?

I know alot of people with kids who went with the suckstang because it had a bigger backseat.


Sad that people didn't like them, they really were GMs only interesting car. ;)

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« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2006, 08:42:49 PM »
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Eagl
 Hasn't it been a 6 speed manual since the first 4th gens came out?

I know alot of people with kids who went with the suckstang because it had a bigger backseat.


Sad that people didn't like them, they really were GMs only interesting car. ;)


Yes, the LT1's had an M6 available.
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« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2006, 09:50:03 PM »
I dunno when the 6 speed manual came out.  Top speed in the last version was achieved in 5th though, because 6th was too tall.
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« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2006, 09:59:41 PM »
Does LS1/LT1 engines support turbo upgrades?  I've never seen one but i think it will smoke the ricers to shame if they're ever fitted with one.

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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2006, 10:12:05 PM »
There are turbo and supercharger kits for both the LT1 and LS1 engines.  It's fairly easy to get another 100hp out of the engine with a few bolt-on upgrades.  I saw a complete kit, turbo, intake stuff, headers and exhaust, guaranteed to bump an LS1 to 400hp for under $4,000, taking one single day for the installation.  That was a few years ago, not sure what's out there now.
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« Reply #42 on: September 30, 2006, 06:59:59 AM »
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Nissan 350Z (coupe) base?


The only knock on this car I can see is that the base coupe starts at $26k.  At that price range you could get a fully loaded Z-28.  Also, the Z-28 is a little bit quicker too.
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« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2006, 07:55:34 AM »
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Does LS1/LT1 engines support turbo upgrades?  I've never seen one but i think it will smoke the ricers to shame if they're ever fitted with one.
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« Reply #44 on: September 30, 2006, 11:56:48 AM »
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