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Offline TPIguy

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Career as a pilot? need advice
« on: November 15, 2001, 06:58:00 PM »
I figure this is as good a place as any to ask. I'm thinking that being a pilot would be the closest thing to a dream job for me. Next to being a porn star atleast. I have a few questions though.

What kind of job opportunities are there for pilots?

What are the different if any, degrees of commercial licences?

Whats the best way to go about training? The military?

Right now I'm 23, working full time and going to college part time. I change my major more than some people change underwear.
I'm currently studing CIS and UF, but I'm not sure I wanna be a cubical dweller the rest of my life.

Any other advice is greatly appriciated.

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2001, 08:05:00 PM »
Job opportunities are cyclical. When the industry is doing well, everyone seems to be hiring. When it's like it is now, everyone is not only not hiring, they are getting ready to furlough pilots. In short, timing is everything and it's better to be lucky than good. There's times when a guy who was both a Thunderbird, Blue Angel and triple Ace can't get hired. Then there's times when a girl with 200 hours in Cessna's is a prime candidate.


Most major carriers would like you to have an Airline Transport Rating which takes some time and plenty of bucks. The commuter carriers will take you with much less in the way of ratings. A Multi-Engine Land with Instrument Rating is probably the lowest though. I think you could go to some of the airline websites and get requirements or just call a couple of personnel offices.

The military is the easiest and cheapest way to train. They'll be paying you. Standardized programs, all training accepted unquestioned by the majors, and they turn out a good product. Unfortunately, they want you to stay in a LONG time in return. Payback for their investment. Unless you go Guard or Reserve which is highly recommended. Of course, little things like wars on terrorism can make Guard/Reserve duty seem like a full time job.. because they can call you up indefinitely.

Civilian training will get you there, just plot your course and have a plan to "fill all the squares". It doesn't hurt to do your higher level training at "known" reputable schools that have some name recognition with the commuter and major carriers. Civilian training is NOT cheap, however, and usually not as fast a route to the ratings as the military due to the cost factor.

Other comment is this:

It's a great job, very satisfying and personally rewarding. In short, you'll feel pretty good about what you do. The downside is you are going to be on the road about 1/2 the time.

That's fun and intersting, especially when you are single and haven't been very many places.

However, as you grow older and develop ties to things and people.. like wives and children.. the continual missing of birthdays and holidays, kids sports, etc. can get to some people.

So, if you are not willing to travel 1/2 the time until age 60, it may not be for you.
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2001, 08:33:00 PM »
what kind of job opps?

All kinds.  Too many to list, I mean look at all the kinds of planes there are, from firefighting, to air freighters, to airliners, to military a/c.  Every type of plane has to have pilots, so there are numerous fields in aviation that you could go into.  It depends on your personality as to which type of flying you would enjoy the most however.  The relaxed rules and low level flying of cropdusting might appeal to some people, whereas the high discipline, and intensity of military flying appeal to others.  If you want the big bucks you need to think either airlines, or air freight transport. I think the last time I checked the pilots that made the most money were widebody captains for Fed-Ex.  They pull down something like $350,000/year.  Obviously it takes many years (20+)and many flight hours to work into something like that.  The average salary for Delta airline pilots is around 200 grand now, but again you have to work your way into it.  If you dont have much money to start with, probably the best way to work your way into aviation is military flying.  It takes years, since you have to be a commissioned officer first (notable exception: Army helicoptor pilots are warrant officers) which means that you must have a college degree.  Then its pretty competitive to get pilot slots in the military also.  The flight physicals eliminate a lot of people, as they are very rigerous, even more so than the already stringent civilian commercial standards.  It takes a lot of committment and dedication to succeed as a military aviator but the reward is great. They teach you to fly, then pay you to fly and you get to fly the coolest planes.  There is a 10 year commitment to the USAF if you become a pilot, and I think for the USN its 8 yrs.  The upside to that is that its job security if you want to look at it that way.  If you just want to work your way up the civilian side of the ladder you can go to college and major in professional aviation, especially at a university that specializes in that sort of thing like Embry-Riddle University. The problem with this is its very expensive (at the university I went to, Louisiana Tech, it cost like 18 grand over what it would cost to get any other degree).  You can offset this some by getting student loans that they give for that purpose, and by becoming a certified flight instructor and teaching others.  CFIs dont usually make much money but it helps you build hours, and after all you are getting paid to fly.  Sure beats working for a living!   ;)  Airlines have recruited pro. av. majors from universities pretty heavily in recent years, although recent events and the resulting slump in the airline industry may change that somewhat.  Those are pretty much the entry levels into aviation as a career usually, either the military, or college, or working as a CFI, or some combination of the above.  The key to getting any job in the civilian aviation community is hours, ratings, and certifications.  You just have to build these as quickly as you can afford them, unless of course you go the military route in which case its all free.  Once in, some other possible aviation career choices: corporate pilot, bush pilot, charter pilot, aerial spraying, flying jump planes, there are even these dogfight schools that have sprung up all over the country where people pay to come play fighter pilot for a day. Most of your bigger police departments hire pilots too, fixed and rotary wing both. All these jobs need pilots, but like I said most of them have some set minimum level of experience.  One of the best sites to go to on the Internet for a lot of information is the FAA's own website:  www.faa.gov   They answer a lot of common questions and have a lot of good info on their site.

 I am personally going the miltary route.  I also majored in CIS and likewise decided that working in that field as a career wasnt for me.  Ever since I was a kid I always wanted to fly fighters, so I joined the USAF via the ROTC route from college.  I ended up not getting a pilot slot due to a sudden critical shortage of navigators that came up just as I categorized.  This resulted in myself and numerous other members of my class getting categorized as navs.  That isnt so bad though, since the program Im in (strike nav) is the lead-in for backseater in either a F-15E or the B-1.  In the F-15E at least, you are kinda like a copilot since you have dual controls and will get stick time.  Also I intend to apply for an active duty pilot slot later on which I will then have a good chance of getting.  Currently I have gotten about 12+ hours of stick time in the T-34 which is the basic trainer here in addition to a very small amount of civilian time that I already have.

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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2001, 06:23:00 AM »
my friend is a pilot and he just got a job flying cargo planes from ypsi (mich) to ohio. He's hulling ford motor parts.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2001, 06:44:00 AM »
Thanks for the advice guys! Embry-riddle isn't too far from where I am now, I'll look into that. Cost is going to be the deciding factor for me. Also, I'll talk to military recruiters and see what they have to say.

I really think this would suite me quite well. I'm single and like to travel alot. I wouldn't really be in it for the money, but because I want a job I can enjoy.

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2001, 07:11:00 AM »
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Originally posted by TPIguy:
Thanks for the advice guys! Embry-riddle isn't too far from where I am now, I'll look into that. Cost is going to be the deciding factor for me. Also, I'll talk to military recruiters and see what they have to say.

I really think this would suite me quite well. I'm single and like to travel alot. I wouldn't really be in it for the money, but because I want a job I can enjoy.

i envy you!

I would love to be a pilot but i dont have enough $$$.


But the military will say anything to get you to join. Becareful if you join that you join in the right area you wanted.

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2001, 07:43:00 AM »
A possible civilian route:

The law enforcement agency I work for hired a young 24 year old Romainian fellow from Ploesti. He had emigrated from Romainia when he was 20 yoa. He went to Embry-Riddle in Florida, and got his multi-eng land, Inst, and Commercial Pilot ratings. After getting out of Em-Rid, the only flying job he could get was Instructing. He decided to become a police officer and see if he could enter the field that way. He was a cop for 3 years. He maintained his proficiency by flying as often as he could afford to. He kept sending out resumes, and was recently picked up by the US Border Patrol as a fixed wing pilot. He had to move to Arizona, but he finally got what he wanted, and they will pay for his further training. I've seen this before. If there are 2 applicants for the same law enf flying job with similar credentials and one is already a certified police officer, the cop has an advantage.
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2001, 12:35:00 PM »
Hey TPI you go to UF too?

email me if ya wanna get together and talk AH or whatever.

shamblin@ufl.edu

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