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Offline Krusty

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Stupid non-standard cases
« on: October 09, 2006, 10:30:51 AM »
Don't you hate people that make proprietary cases? Gateway, HP, and I think Dell are 3 different brands i've encountered that do this. They make their stuff so that only THEY can use it.

And it's not just things on the motherboard. They go out of their way to really screw you over if you ever want to upgrade.

Case in point: This weekend I upgraded my sister's HP machine. It was an old 1.5GHz P3 with 256 RDRAM and a GeForce 256 (or something equivelant). She got my old mobo, a celery 2.5GHz, 512MB RAM (albeit, DDR PC2100, but still better than nothing), and a MX440 GeForce.

Now, it could have been worse. At least the back plate came off and accepted the new mobo's plate. My old gateway case had STAMPED STEEL in this spot. However, things like the front panel I/O are retarded. They take the standard 2x4+1 USB header plug and make it a 2x6 plug, only the extra grounds (it turns out) are on the front, and after the first pair of pins it has an empty row, then puts in the other 3 rows.

Well a dremel tool and some careful chopping got it to fit on a standard USB header, but there I find out (by comparing the wire colors to a "normal" header plug) that they moved the extra ground  wires to the left side instead of the right. Still easily overcome by shifting the plug 1 row off the edge of the pins.

Then there's the case plug. Switch, power LED, and IDE LED. They're all on the same piece of plastic, that fits perfectly on the HP mobo but I bet no other mobo on the planet. More dremel work and separating the individual pins from each other, and it works. However it's still a pain. The power LED doesn't work because it has 3 pins, and needs pins 1 and 3, but the case uses pins 2 and 3. I haven't cut them apart just yet, but I may do so in the future, to get it working (heck, it's just the green light on the power switch, not that important).

There's lots of little things like this that really screw most folks over when they want to do anything to their PC. These companies think that the PC is always theirs, and that we're just "renting" it. My philosophy is that a PC is like a car (no, no, stick with me here!) -- you want to keep it running well, because you need it. You want to replace parts if they get worn out.

Well what if you bought a car that didn't allow you to take anything out, didn't allow you to put anything in, and forced you to ride the same tires until they catastrophically blew out while you were driving it? Then when that happened they say "sorry, you need a new car, but for $1,499.99 you can upgrade to a much faster model!"

It's pathetic.

To make things worse, her PSU fan died. Hell if I know when. She said it was making loud noises, I'm guessing that was it. Luckily I have a JustPC PSU that was pure crap, I open it up, take its fan out, and put it in the other PSU. It takes a little bit of work to rig it to a standard MOLEX adapter and then run the wire out of the case with all the other wires, then close the case.

So basically I told her she's got a bit of a Frankenstein, but at least you can't see any of that from the outside :)

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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2006, 11:44:06 AM »
Cheap cases go for 29€... suppose 35$... better than swearing for 5 hours :)

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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2006, 11:52:27 AM »
Well, there wasn't much swearing (okay, I did once! I'm only human!), but I currently have no funds. I think the better thing to do would have been to get a new case and power supply, as I was changing the motherboard, the RAM, the CPU, and the video card! the only thing that stayed the same was the IEEE1394 card and the CD-ROM and hard drives!

The funny thing is that the HP case is big, and spacious. When it's on its side, it's much deeper than any other case I've worked in. Plenty of room for parts and items. It just doesn't like you to add them!

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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2006, 12:24:20 PM »
Just say no to OEM.
Definiteness of purpose is the starting point of all achievement. –W. Clement Stone

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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2006, 12:33:35 PM »
:aok

Or how about

"Friends don't let friends buy OEM"

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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2006, 12:51:27 PM »
There are a lot of reasonably cost cases out there.  I have 3 PCs,  two Antec cases, and my son picked some wild case with flashing lights and a window in the side for his PC.  A good quality case like the Antec will last many years and many upgrades.  It's a good investment if you plan to build your own.

I may be a bit extreme when it comes to my joystick, but on PCs, I go the low cost route :)

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« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2006, 01:16:17 AM »
Im like Gunner. 3 PCs. Like Gunners kid, i like to see whats going on in the case.

My P4 D930 3.0ghz duel core is in a Radmax Sagitta Black case, side window.Side window has a 80mm Blue LED fan, I mounted a 120mm Blue LED in the front for intake, removed the black 120mm from the rear for exaust and replaced it with a Blue LED 120mm.

My P4 630 3.0ghz is an a Xion I case black, side window but all green LED fans as the front case lights are green. I have WinXP 64x on it as a test system.

My Overclocking case is a Nikao Dragonfire black, now Gunners kid would love this case, i call it Elvis. Its the only case i have ever given a name. It has a black screen ont the side instead of a window with a 120mm blue LED fan in it. front and rear 120mm blue LEDs. Air flow is incredible and all systems i build goes into Elvis first for overclocking. Then the boards are pulled and ported to other cases. I only overclock when i first buy the board to see what it can do, then everthing is put back to regular settings.

Elvis is empty now waiting for an SLI board, and a testing he will go.

Ya have to see this case and you will know why i call it Elvis:)

Ive been through a ton of cases and am picking up another as i build systems for my family, girl friend, her daughter and my friends. All the above cases where reasonably cheap and came with power supplies that got tossed as soon as i open the box. Only kept the ones for people i know that only cruise the net. Otherwise, it would be like dropping a 2 cylinder engine in a Corvette. The power supply is the heart of the system, dont skimp if you have a good gaming rig.



For the Office our controller was picking up Dells, IBM. I have built my own systems for over 15 years now. I would never ever buy a Dell or IBM and such. They make money on the fact that people have to send there systems back to upgrade CPUs as they have there own Bios set up and you will get (Incompatable CPU) at boot up with a Hit Enter to continue. Yes, it still works but it a pain on start up.

There are reasons people buy these systems, there cheap, or they cant build there own. For a gamer its always best to build your own. You have all documentation for all parts, you buy your own case so you know how much room your getting. And my last rant on DELL & IBMs are the use of mATX boards. There good for surfing the net, or basic office stuff, but useless for gaming and hard core computer usage.

Dell is now building high end gaming rigs. I still wouldnt buy one.

Rant over, sorry for the long post but its felt good to get this Dell thing off my cheat, been bugging me for years:)

Dog out
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