Author Topic: ENY disable plane feature wreaking havoc on EW arena (Read 1722 times)

ghostdancer · « **Reply #15 on:** September 27, 2006, 10:37:31 AM »

I am not talking about the best planes. The C.202 is a decent plane and I believe a strong match for the F4F. Hell I think the Hurricane I is better than the Hurricane MKIIC.

I am talking about losing all of your fighters not the best planes.

Their simply is not an extensive planeset in EWA with a large enough ENY spread between planes. When it hits you lose a large block (most of your planes).

Hap · « **Reply #16 on:** September 27, 2006, 10:42:56 AM »

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Originally posted by Edbert
I'm simply amazed that folks want the best plane(s) available AND to have their opponents drastically outnumbered. You can have one or the other guys, but not both...anymore at least.

~~to balanced odds!~~

So it seems Edbert.

~~hap~~

Masherbrum · « **Reply #17 on:** September 27, 2006, 10:47:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Edbert
I'm simply amazed that folks want the best plane(s) available AND to have their opponents drastically outnumbered. You can have one or the other guys, but not both...anymore at least.

~~to balanced odds!~~

Ed, as you know the RONIN were Rooks. After the format change, we would switch to the side with the lowest numbers. Only to find out within a 1/2 hour, we were NOW on the side with the MOST pileits.

ghostdancer · « **Reply #18 on:** September 27, 2006, 10:55:53 AM »

How about this since we will not have new planes for the EWA planeset anytime soon.

Since the planes in EWA are not available in LWA and most are clearly out matched in MWA. Would it be possible to adjust their ENY value to new values based on what they are actually fighting / facing in the EWA. Well except for the 190A5 and Spits and Lanc. I have no problem with those perk planes being nocked out when ENY kicks in.

But a wider ENY value spread among the Hurri I, Hurri MKIIC, F4F-4, A6M2, C.202 , 109E4, Spit I, Spit V would be nice. So that when ENY kicks in hard that there is at least one fighter that you can still fly (just in in the old MA, the MWA and LWA). There was never a case in MA, that I know of where the entire fighter set for a country was disabled.

killnu · « **Reply #19 on:** September 27, 2006, 10:57:08 AM »

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I'm simply amazed that folks want the best plane(s) available AND to have their opponents drastically outnumbered. You can have one or the other guys, but not both...anymore at least.

I was flying with Fester last night...we was on low numbered side. If you read his post, he is saying he doesnt mind if take away perk planes, but reduce the amount of planes that eny affects.

So we were outnumbered and wanted them to have some better planes.

Sketch · « **Reply #20 on:** September 27, 2006, 11:02:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Ed, as you know the RONIN were Rooks. After the format change, we would switch to the side with the lowest numbers. Only to find out within a 1/2 hour, we were NOW on the side with the MOST pileits.

Exactly K! I have flown Rooks since AHI and before that was in C-Country. I have recorded my first kills as a Knight as of this month.... I can change countries easy and will get accepted next to Goldelks, Panman, Doom or Karaya Mom... It doesn't matter where you fly or what country. I think people should switch sides and fly with others instead of the same bloody horde all the time. You meet NEW people! Holy crap! Someone new!! What do I do!!
It is easy... say Hello! Give them a and go shoot down your buddy who didn't switch sides!

Bozon: You didn't think I thought of switching sides? Not trying to be rude but why shoudl I have to switch countries to fly in certain plane? If my F4U-1 is that leathal it should be perked! Pretty bad when I have to resort to flying a P-40B....

~~PS> Karaya, check your PM's~~

Edbert · « **Reply #21 on:** September 27, 2006, 11:11:20 AM »

I understand that getting bit by the ENY can and does happen through no fault of your own. HTC has reduced the chesspeice-change limiter drastically and that helps a lot.

My comments were mainly directed at those who have some sort of weird fetish with their chesspeice and then complain that they cannot fly any plane they want due to ENY. I've only played EW since 'the change' and only once saw a really bad ENY as has been described here, and the one country had more than the other two combined, I felt it was appropriate to have such a severe penalty at that time, gotta do something to regulate the dweebs (errr players) who wont regulate themselves.

Personally, I try to check the ENY before I tower out...just in case.

Edit: Duly noted Killnu, I was kinda wondering

~~Bro!~~

ghostdancer · « **Reply #22 on:** September 27, 2006, 11:16:00 AM »

I have had it happen three times in EWA to me. Fortunately I was flying a fighter and a buddy told me when it happened so I knew to hot pad instead of getting a new plane.

In two cases it was caused by the third country having like 10 people on while the second country had 30+ and third was in like 45-48.

One time I saw it happen when it was the third country outnumbering the other two combined. Never had an issue or complaint of not being able to fly any plane I want. I do have an issue when you can't fly any fighters. All countries need at least to be able to fly one fighter of some sort. Hell give us the I-16 or the Gladiator and I would take that up.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #23 on:** September 27, 2006, 11:20:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Sketch
Exactly K! I have flown Rooks since AHI and before that was in C-Country. I have recorded my first kills as a Knight as of this month.

PS> Karaya, check your PM's

~~<~~> my brother from another mother! I replied.~~~~

AKDogg · « **Reply #24 on:** September 27, 2006, 11:35:34 AM »

Problem with EWA is the numbers flucuate constanly from 1 extreme to the next in a very short time. Switching sides is not the answer because the numbers change by the minutes, not hours.

Simaril · « **Reply #25 on:** September 27, 2006, 12:20:31 PM »

Disagree -- side balance and ENY are up to the players, not up to HT. You're right that swithcing sides doesnt work now with any great reliability, but that's because not enough people are willing to switch. If enough were willing, then things would be even despite the 1 hour time limit.

Here's what I mean. Say things are 10:20:25. Guys who are on switch from both higher numbered groups, and that makes the balance a reasonable 16:18:21.

!0 minutes later, a squad from the first group shows up, adn some other guys log off. So now the numbers are 30:14:16.

You're right that the folks who just switched cant go back yet, but the ENY problem isnt their fault -- its the guys who HAVENT switched that can fix it, and if it doesnt go away its THEIR fault. Only 6 on the now high side have 'spent' their switch privileges, and that leaves 23 who are perfectly free to move around and even things out.

If 60% or so of players were willing to switch when it was needed, the ENY would be a non-issue.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 27, 2006, 12:20:34 PM »

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Originally posted by MwDogg
Problem with EWA is the numbers flucuate constanly from 1 extreme to the next in a very short time. Switching sides is not the answer because the numbers change by the minutes, not hours.

Storch has a point, we've always managed to balance AvA, but there's no wait on side switching. In EW, though, I guess you'd have to contend with the war-winners who WANT overwhelming force. (Not to mention those who are fearful of the dreaded spies.)

Really, there isn't the same disparity in early war plane performance that you see in late war. If your ENY got out of whack, couldn't you just disable FW, Spit5 and 9, P38G and Hurri IIC? That would still leave the larger side with a good stable of very capable fighters, but it would let the weaker side field planes with distinctly superior performance.

- oldman

Simaril · « **Reply #27 on:** September 27, 2006, 12:24:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Oldman731
Storch has a point, we've always managed to balance AvA, but there's no wait on side switching. In EW, though, I guess you'd have to contend with the war-winners who WANT overwhelming force. (Not to mention those who are fearful of the dreaded spies.)

Really, there isn't the same disparity in early war plane performance that you see in late war. If your ENY got out of whack, couldn't you just disable FW, Spit5 and 9, P38G and Hurri IIC? That would still leave the larger side with a good stable of very capable fighters, but it would let the weaker side field planes with distinctly superior performance.

- oldman

Here's a thought...what if the high sides were limited to the single least capable fighter, but the low sides got perk planes for free in compensation?

If it were left to me, I'd say dont change the rules until more people show wilinglness to move around "for the good of the order" But, free perk planes would be a reasonable compromise....

Hap · « **Reply #28 on:** September 27, 2006, 12:27:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
If 60% or so of players were willing to switch when it was needed, the ENY would be a non-issue.

Whew.

hap

hubsonfire · « **Reply #29 on:** September 27, 2006, 12:27:46 PM »

Interesting idea, Oldman, but I wonder if allowing the side with higher numbers to have more planes would encourage people to stay on the high #s side, instead of switching to make things more balanced. I also tend to think that if HT starts making concessions in the ENY for specific situations, the demands for other concessions in other situations would start pouring in.

With regards to no time limit on switching, see HT's other posts regarding CVs and spies. It may not be an issue with a lot of us, but someone would find a way to abuse it.