Someone help me understand.....

[Kermit de frog]

Capturing bases give a squad something to do as teammates and friends.  There can be tactics used as well as roles certain individuals can be during a base capture.  It is really fun.  Going NOE, in a tight group, with friends, going to a base that no one will expect at first.  Then killing AAA and setting up the base cap and then knocking down the town.

You have little time because someone may up an la7 from a nearby base.  This la7 will come in on the deck with lots of speed.  No one will be able to catch this la7 and he will ho everyone he sees.  You can't afford to die because there's no way you will make it back in time to help and the la7 can also just up from the base 1 mile away and ho someone again until he sees the goon and then runs after that.  There's little you can do unless you can get a path that allows you to intercept the la7 and ho him before he gets the goon.

It just takes 1 la7 to kill the goon and the whole raid is over.  It's very exciting.  The less numbers you have, the harder it is to capture a base as well as the less people you can afford to fight against, in order to get a successful base capture.

[Kermit de frog]

Once, my group leaders were only going after undefended base captures.  We were on our third base capture.  It was a Vbase.  It was unsuccessful because too many gv's upped before the VHs went dead.  Group leaders said to stop and go somewhere else.  They had given up.  Then I raillied a few squaddies to help continue the fight.  We had bombers going in a high alt, bombing vhs at the base, as well as nearby bases.  We had goons comnig from far bases from different directions.  We had jabo planes like a20s and 110s kill gvs that would up whenever the vhs popped.  We also had friendlies grab a few panzers and push toward the fields.  When they died, it took awhile for them to drive back to the vbase.  When the enemy gvs died, they would just sit tight until the VHs pop'd.  We had fighter sweeps to prevent la7s and typhoons from coming in from the west.  They were goon hunters and always staying high and killing our goons or porking troops.  We also had c47s resupply bases.  All this happened in 3 hours.  We eventually got the base once we had held the vhs down at 3 bases, our friendlies got panzers on the field, fighter sweeps held the enemy 25miles away, and a goon survived the trip as well as an a20 to clean up any enemy gvs that were rolling in from another field.

Best base capture I ever experienced.  Oh and betty was banned from flying C47s because of that day.

[jtdragon]

Ack-Ack, everyside is doing it. I'm bish. and the same thing happens to us. I do not belong to a squad, will see a base flashing and go there. Unlike you I  not good enough to shoot down 4 or 5 emy planes by myself so I call for help and guess what happens sometimes, no one shows up, bye bye base. You have to blame you ownside sometimes, defending is as much a part of the game as taking bases. Oh, I have taken base by myself and LOVED DOING IT.

[Eagler]

it all started when they added gv's
for some reason it went from Aces High, a combat flight simulation game to a clone of WWII Online with an attempt to provide something for everyone regardless of their ability to play/complete in the game in its original format

[Donzo]

Originally posted by Eagler
it all started when they added gv's
for some reason it went from Aces High, a combat flight simulation game to a clone of WWII Online with an attempt to provide something for everyone regardless of their ability to play/complete in the game in its original format

If that's the case and many more people have joined under this setup, so what?

[Flayed1]

Well Sim first I myself as I stated was playing against other people defending against many Rooks.... Other bish were also playing against other people indirectly at a different type of game, the I can take bases faster than you game..  

    Really because there were so few Nits on, bish were playing only against rooks for the most part just not in direct combat... Not that I think this particular type of playing is fun, thats why I was defending against rooks.

 And even if I did change teams there is no garontee that I could get other Bish to change with me so then I would end up fighting the no win war against the overwhelming odds that we have now right along side the nits.

  The only way I ever see this being fair is if HT did something like when I used to play Delta Force and you would log on and it would just stick you on what ever team needed you the most and you just fought for the color of team you were on without question.  In here you would just log on and fight for the country you were placed with and attempt to work with who ever you were stuck with. Combine this witha 2 sided war to help concentrate the low #'s in each arena and there you go.

 Though this would probably kill the squad thing all togeather.

 Soooo I'll just sit here on Bish continue to fight rooks and see how it comes out in the wash.
 Like I said I don't find the ENY limiter to be much of a hinderance most of the planes I like to fly are pretty high up on the eny #'s anyway and it just turns the MWA into another EWA.

[BugsBunny]

Originally posted by smash
Not trying to be a jerk.... just some questions and comments.....

If numbers are equal, how do the A>G group avoid the A>A group?  Loaded with ordinance performance is inferior, so you can't outrun them.  It would have to be surprise.  Unless the A>A guys just don't want the fight.
 

Very easy.  The A>G people will clime to 15K and dive through every deffender releasing their bombs moments before compression.  Some will survive and make a few more high speed passes.  Once speed is gone, ack or deffenders will get them.

Maybe not a jerk but either new and not get it or not very bright and not get it.  BTW, that was not a question.  It was a statement that the A>A people dont want to fight.

[Stoney74]

Originally posted by BugsBunny
Very easy.  The A>G people will clime to 15K and dive through every deffender releasing their bombs moments before compression.  Some will survive and make a few more high speed passes.  Once speed is gone, ack or deffenders will get them.

Maybe not a jerk but either new and not get it or not very bright and not get it.  BTW, that was not a question.  It was a statement that the A>A people dont want to fight.

I took it as a question, and even if it wasn't, how 'bout answering it as a question to steer the discussion back away from the flame.  So far this has been a fairly rational discussion...

[Eagler]

Originally posted by Donzo
If that's the case and many more people have joined under this setup, so what?

nothing really, other than it should be called ww2 combat and not aces high as it is not exclusive to a2a combat anymore - the title is misleading

Guppy asked a question and I provided an answer imo, that is all

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by jtdragon
Ack-Ack, everyside is doing it. I'm bish. and the same thing happens to us.  

I never said it didn't, I was just providing an example of what I encountered.

[smash]

Originally posted by BugsBunny
Very easy.  The A>G people will clime to 15K and dive through every deffender releasing their bombs moments before compression.  Some will survive and make a few more high speed passes.  Once speed is gone, ack or deffenders will get them.

So the complaint is you can't intercept co-alt because you don't have enough time to climb? And if they only survive a short time its all over anyway, no 'freebie' base capture.

I'm just trying to get a grip on why there seems to be such a dislike of missions and group action.  In the ye olde days squads were saluted... and they were saluted for base capture.  You joined a squad whose members had great scores and ranks -- if you were good enough.

Looks to me like the crux of a lot of it is just crap flying.  I've been around long enough to have seen a few of those trends.  There was the HO/Collision phase... the CV suicide bomber phase.... maybe now its the lawn dart jabo phase....  I've always said that planes were too cheap.

[Overlag]

up and defend, then they cant milkk run.

milk running is easier now because there is hardly any players in the arena......

[jon]

Originally posted by Guppy35
And your comment speaks loudly to the problem.  

Seperate the players even more.  How do we get both to fly in the same area?  I'm certain the air to air guys would be more then happy to fly against the air to building guys.  The problem is the air to building guys don't seem to want to go anywhere near the air to air guys.

Instead you suggest the air to air guys should go to the DA.

How do we put the different types of players together jon?

i believe you won't. the old da was what some of us were looking for. i liked to fly the da sometimes and the ma sometimes. i would go fly da for a while and have alot of fun. then go to ma and get po'ed.  or visa versa. notat the horde or people in da , but at myself for my not having enough skill or   right situational awarenes. my opinion is that most of this happened at least to me, when the da was changed . we had mods in ma mods in da would have solved the da problem. but now gup it is all up in the air some like this, (not me ) some like the old,ht owns the game and can do what he wants. i deleted my account , and reinstated it , and i dont know if i should have wasted the money. to me the old was good . now i dont fly very often but i still like to. AND to answer your question , YES if killshooter was off

[RedTop]

I don't really have an answer Guppy. Base Capture has it's place to many here. Lots of squads dedicated to doing that. The squad I am in doesn't really do it alot but have been known on occasion to capture a couple. The thing is when we get beat at it , it usually starts a real good fight between thos 2 bases and we have a great time.

What I see in SO MANY posts about the sides is , why don't people just change sides.

A) For the betterment of the community....
B) For even numbers
C) To stop the horde
D) all the above and more.....

I have been flying knights since I joind this squad. I flew Rooks for a time. There's no difference in the type of play really from 1 side to another.

What IS different is , I have fun goofing with the SQUAD I am in. We talk , laugh , tell jokes , and what nots. Thats the part of being in a squad that I enjoy most. Pairing up at times to go fight someplace. Escorting some buffs someplace. Being a help to the Knights as we want. Even if it is keeping 8 or 10 rooks or Bishes busy in a furball while the others are attacking someplace. Yes , that may be undefended.  As was mentioned , if the win the war types want to win , why would they take the path of HARDEST resistance? Eventually you will have to fight to win , but in a "War" you go where they are not and take territory.

I for one am not going to "Change Sides" for numbers problems. IF one side is low and getting beat up , well , sorry. I'm not as was said going to change to fight my squaddies. I can go to the DA to do that. Whats the point of having squads , if "For the betterment of the community" we don't fly together.

Thjis whole change thing is in my opinion just a mess. Started as a mess , no warning just done , no input , just done. The old MA was stale. I totally agree. But what was stale? The fights? The Hordes? To many Spit 16's , LA7's? IF that was it then why not just perk em and chenge the number of them you saw?

Ther's so many questions , I have read thru and thought about.

I keep seeing this tho mainly.

"People should switch sides to help gameplay. To even the sides up. To keep the hordes from taking over." Over and Over I see this.

Well I play with friends. I'm going to contiue to , or quit.

3 or 4 arenas , and still the same questions. Why Hordes (now like 8 people instead of 30) Why roll undefended bases.....why is the ENY so harsh....on and on.

Wish I could help ya...no idea...not sure I'll stay here. Maybe winter time will bring people out. I have no idea. I do know , I was having fun flying at 9:00 in the a.m. central time til about 1:00 central time in the old MA. Bout 100-200 on. Yeah lots of LA's and Spits. So what. We had fights.

Now EW has 20 people.....MW has 30 or so. This is during when I could play.

I have taken more of this summer off after a very trying time last summer losing my Mom....

But , if the numbers now are an indication of the future.....I'll spend my 16.00 a month on HBO or Showtime.

[hubsonfire]

I like to play poker. I have a group of friends and acquaintenances with whom I enjoy playing poker. I like winning at poker even more than I like playing poker. However, my sense of gamesmanship tells me that I should only enjoy winning at poker when I have done so fairly- that is to say, when I don't enjoy any sort of overwhelming advantage. I guess I fail to see how anyone would only play a game, or enjoy a game, in which they have some sort of advantage. Doesn't having some sort of pronounced advantage, either with superior numbers, or by avoiding interaction with the opposing team, take the joy out of the win? If you haven't beaten anyone, or haven't interacted with your opponents, what have you really won?