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« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2001, 01:24:00 PM »
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Texter - let's get the facts straight, before all this Fahrenheit nonsense bacomes really scarily confusing


Hmm, I'm not confused. Never maintained that brewing temperature was the problem but that serving temp was. Did that confuse you? F=C*1.8+32 is fairly easy.  :)

Also, you missed the point about the shower or else you have 4" pipes throughout your domicile. I don't. <shrug>

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« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2001, 03:43:00 PM »
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The lady still didn't deserve $2.9 million.  

Agreed, but what she asked for was 20k. To pay her medical bills. Having been in that situation (I was dosed with ACN, a form of cyanide) I asked the offending company (A Greek shipping outfit) to pay my medical bills that totaled about 5k I think. They forced it to court and a Judge awarded me about twice that even after the lawyer took his 33%. <shrug> Willing to bet that if it wasn't a maritime case with all the rules involved there I would have gotten a ton more from a jury trial. No telling what the guy that was with me and nearly died would have gotten.

Thing is, at some point, it has to be punitive else the Borg like corporations run rampant over folks. Regular, AH flying, working folks. Or old ladies in sweatpants riding in the car with their sons.

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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2001, 05:11:00 PM »
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McDonalds was clearly in the wrong.

If you try to drive with a recently purchased cup of coffee in a styrofoam cup between your legs then you should forfeit the right to sue if you spill it.

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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2001, 06:05:00 PM »
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If you try to drive with a recently purchased cup of coffee in a styrofoam cup between your legs then you should forfeit the right to sue if you spill it.
Blue Mako

As the site texter posted above states (which seems to have been ignored) it's not that simple. I'll repost it. Some facts to base opinions on can be found at: Facts and Fiction

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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2001, 08:31:00 PM »
"If you try to drive with a recently purchased cup of coffee in a styrofoam cup between your legs then you should forfeit the right to sue if you spill it"

Who was trying to drive?  If memory serves, the lady who sued McDonalds was a passenger in her car.  McDonalds sells this product through their DRIVE THRU, so obviously it SHOULD be safe if the car strikes a bump.  It's not like she was attempting to steer the car AND drink at the same time.

Think about this for a minute--she had third-degree burns where it spilled on her.  In non-medical terms, this means she spilled coffee in her lap and it BURNED HER SKIN OFF.

Frivolous lawsuits have a drawback, in they cause people to want to discount legitimate claims--such as this one.

NATEDOG:

I don't think anyone drank that stuff straight down the moment they bought it--sip it, let it cool, sip it again.  But NOT drink it.  

Take my word for it, if you drank 180 degree liquid you'd at the least suffer severe internal burns.  You might well die.  I work with hot liquids on a daily basis and 140 is hotter than is safe for prolonged contact.  120 is hot enough to cause burns to delicate skin.  150 will rapidly burn even a hardy individual.   180 is excessive, no way around it.  

Yes, her dollar award was excessive.  Yes, another useless label on the side of the coffee cups isn't doing anybody a favor.  That doesn't change the fact that McDonalds was serving a needlessly dangerous product.

J_A_B


BTW, people who "boil" water on their kitchen stove are NOT drinking 200+ degree water.  I don't feel like explaining thermodynamics here so if you're further interested find a book on it.

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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2001, 09:25:00 PM »
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As the site texter posted above states (which seems to have been ignored) it's not that simple.

I'm sure it's not that simple.  I suppose I just think that there should be less sueing and more practise of common sense.  The whole flock of "ambulance chasers" appearing here in Australia is convincing me more and more that the system of law where someone is always to blame, even if you do something stupid and injure yourself, is a product of these high money cases.

I think if they want to award damages that will hurt the corporations make sure that the lawyers don't get a percentage (or cap the slice they can take to something reasonable) and that the victim gets an award that is in proportion to the damage, give the rest of the money to a hospital that treats burn victims or something...

My $0.02.

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« Reply #36 on: November 20, 2001, 11:10:00 PM »
The truth is for every 20 bazzilion dollars given to a stupid person who was just the victim of an assisination attempt by natural selection, there are many more lawsuits that actually helps all of us.

Here is a website that tracks current, big-market class-action lawsuits: http:// [url=http://www.web-access.net/~aclark/frames45.htm]http://www.web-access.net/~aclark/frames45.htm[/url][/url]

As an attorney (criminal, not civil) I'd be the first to admit that many times the whole process is out of whack.  And sometimes much harm is done by outrageous awards.

But other times companies are forced to pay for unleashing unsafe products onto the public.  My step-mom got implants after a double mastectomy.  DOW-Corning deserved to pay big for what she went through on top of cancer.  My best friend is part of a firm suing a large auto company because an unsafe design left a mother of two paralyzed.  My thoughts?  Tough toejam to the company.

Hopefully, with time, a balance can be reached.  Too often companies just roll over rather than fight a lawsuit.  This just creates more frivolous suits.  But, sometimes, lawsuits that seem silly in the beginning turn out to be caused by something serious.  

Until then however, for every handsomehunk there are many more people for whom a suit is the only way to get any type of recovery for a loss.

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« Reply #37 on: November 21, 2001, 12:34:00 PM »
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I'm sure it's not that simple. I suppose I just think that there should be less sueing and more practise of common sense. The whole flock of "ambulance chasers" appearing here in Australia is convincing me more and more that the system of law where someone is always to blame, even if you do something stupid and injure yourself, is a product of these high money cases.

I think if they want to award damages that will hurt the corporations make sure that the lawyers don't get a percentage (or cap the slice they can take to something reasonable) and that the victim gets an award that is in proportion to the damage, give the rest of the money to a hospital that treats burn victims or something...
Blue Mako

I agree completely. Personal injusty on the non corporate level is just as bad, especially with the ads on TV looking to drum up business: "Have you bee injured at work... /Problems with a delivery... /Too many bills to pay?..." Why no, but what can you do for me at someone else's expense?

A friend of mine was almost taken to the cleaners recently by a professional car accident victim. Always seemd to arrange to get rearended and injured, what bad luck he must have  :(

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« Reply #38 on: November 21, 2001, 01:02:00 PM »
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Also, you missed the point about the shower or else you have 4" pipes throughout your domicile. I don't. <shrug>
Sorry Tex, didn't mean for it to come out as jerky as it did. I have a pump driving my on-suite - heaven in the morning :)

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« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2001, 01:33:00 AM »
bah, I got to use domicile in context, made my day.   ;)

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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2001, 02:19:00 AM »
I'm suing HTC for turning me into an AH junkie.

I could have realy been someone if I didn't play this game so much...

With all the cash I get, I'm going to buy the best computer system that can be found... so that I can play AH, of course.

I hope they can still afford to stay in business after I get my settlement...

Hmmm...

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