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« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2006, 06:22:03 AM »
Fly level or as if you don't know there is a bogie behind you.  This well give the attacker a false sense that he's suprised his victim when he tries to make his bounce.


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« Reply #46 on: October 09, 2006, 08:33:28 AM »
Nice design analysis of the Zero, http://rwebs.net/avhistory/history/Zeke32.htm

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« Reply #47 on: October 09, 2006, 12:47:24 PM »
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To undestand the Zekes construction n philosophy we can look at the Iconic Japanese warrior, the Samurai. His offensie weapon (sword) is also his defensive weapon. No 30kg metallic shield there.


You don't know much about medieval history.  First, knightly shields weighed no more than fifteen pounds, and were made mostly of wood.  The heaviest shield known to have been used in battle was the Roman infantry shield, which weighed about twenty pounds.  No shield ever made for being carried into battle weighed anything approaching sixty pounds.  Secondly, the Samurai's offensive weapon was the bow.  They were horse archers.  Their secondary weapon was the spear, and the sword was their tertiary weapon.

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« Reply #48 on: October 21, 2006, 02:44:11 AM »
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Well, just about every U.S. fighter at the beginning of the war shared the same design characteristics--no armor, no self-sealing tanks, etc.  The early wildcats and jugs are good examples.  They didn't even deploy the P-47B for combat as a result.

There's a story about a Ki-43 shooting down 2 B-24s in a mission in the CBI.  That's like an early zeke without the cannon.


They were often mistaken for the Navy Type 0 model 11 Fighter (A6M Zero-sen) Allied code name "Zeke".

Army Type 1 Fighter Model 1A and was named Hayabusa (Peregrine Falcon) Allied code name "Oscar".

Specification of Ki-43-Ia:



One Army Type 99 (Nakajima Ha-25) fourteen cylinder air-cooled radial rated at 980 hp for takeoff and 970 hp at 11,555 feet driving a two-bladed propeller.

Performance: Maximum speed 308 mph at 13,125 feet, climb to 16,405 feet in 5 minutes 30 seconds. Service ceiling 38,500 feet. Maximum range 745 miles.

Weights: 3483 pounds empty, 4515 pounds loaded, 5695 pounds maximum. Dimensions: wingspan 37 feet 6 5/16 inches, length 38 feet 11 3/4 inches, height 10 feet 8 3/4 inches, wing area 236.81 square feet. Armament: Two 7.7 mm Type 89 machine guns in the engine cowling. Two 33-pound bombs could be carried underwing. Two 44-imp-gall drop tanks could be carried.

The next version was the Ki-43-Ib which differed from the Ia in having a heavier armament in which one of the Type 89 machine guns was replaced by a 12.7-mm Type 1 (Ho-103) machine gun.

The Ki-43-Ic which followed it had two 12.7-mm Type 1 machine guns, and was the major production variant of the Model 1 series.

Ki-43-II


 Nakajima_Ki-43-IIa

In pursuit of better performance, five Ki-43-I airframes were modified in February of 1942 to be powered by the 1150-hp Type 1 engine (which was the Nakajima Ha-115, a development of the earlier Ha-25).
This engine had a two-speed supercharger and drove a three-bladed constant-speed metal propeller.
The supercharger air intake was moved from underneath the cowling to its upper lip, with the carburetor intake remaining underneath the cowling.
The wingspan was decreased by two feet and the wing area by 6.46 square feet to improve speed at low and medium altitudes.
The windshield and cockpit canopy were raised slightly and a new reflector gunsight was fitted.
The wing attachment points were strengthened to carry 551-pound bombs. In response to complaints from the field that the Hayabusa was too vulnerable to superficial combat damage, some rudimentary armor protection was provided for the pilot and self-sealing tanks were installed in the wings.

The improved Hayabusa model entered production as the Army Type 1 Fighter Model 2A (Ki-43-IIa). As the Model 2A entered production, the earlier Model 1 was progressively phased out, until the 716th and last Model 1 left the line in February 1943.

Specification of Ki-43-IIb:



One Army Type 1 (Nakajima Ha-115) fourteen cylinder air-cooled radial rated at 1150 hp for takeoff and 980 hp at 18,375 feet driving a three-bladed propeller.

Performance: Maximum speed 329 mph at 13,125 feet, climb to 16,405 feet in 5 minutes 49 seconds. Service ceiling 36,750 feet. Normal range 1095 miles. Maximum range 1990 miles.

Weights: 4211 pounds empty, 5710 pounds loaded, 6450 pounds maximum. Dimensions: wingspan 35 feet 6 3/4 inches, length 29 feet 3 5/16 inches, height 10 feet 8 3/4 inches, wing area 230.34 square feet.
Armament: Two 12.7-mm Type 1 machine guns in the engine cowling. Two 66-pound or 551-pound bombs could be carried underwing. Two 44-imp-gall drop tanks could be carried.


Specification of Ki-43-IIIa:



One Army Type 1 (Nakajima Ha-115-II) fourteen cylinder air-cooled radial rated at 1300 hp for takeoff and 1230 hp at 9185 feet driving a three-bladed propeller.

Performance: Maximum speed 358 mph at 21,920 feet. Climb to 16,405 feet in 5 minutes 19 seconds. Service ceiling 37,400 feet. Normal range 1320 miles. Maximum range 1990 miles.

Weights: 4233 pounds empty, 5644 pounds loaded, 6746 pounds maximum. Dimensions: wingspan 35 feet 6 3/4 inches, length 29 feet 3 5/16 inches, height 10 feet 8 3/4 inches, wing area 230.34 square feet.
Armament: Two 12.7-mm Type 1 machine guns in the engine cowling. Two 66-pound or 551-pound bombs could be carried underwing. Two 44-imp-gall drop tanks could be carried.


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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2006, 04:55:01 PM »
ki43-IIIb pwns em all

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« Reply #50 on: October 24, 2006, 12:04:50 AM »
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can we refrain from using the word Jap?

it may be offensive, in another game you would be cursed upon to refer to them by this name and it filtered.

The zero is a great plane only solution is to not get hit   ;)


It's just shortening the name of their nationality, I don't see how it is offensive.

I wouldn't consider 'Aussie' to be offensive and it's the same thing... just syllabal dropping.

I'm not trying to stir **** here, i'm just saying...
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« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2006, 01:40:18 AM »
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It's just shortening the name of their nationality, I don't see how it is offensive.

I wouldn't consider 'Aussie' to be offensive and it's the same thing... just syllabal dropping.

I'm not trying to stir **** here, i'm just saying...


aussietralian, lol thanks for the shot of wisdom from the most apple shaped continent:D

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« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2006, 05:54:08 AM »
Is that IAS or TAS for the top speed of the Hayabusa?

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« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2006, 07:39:53 AM »
Hi,

the datas of the Ki-43 are not always realy good and probably got mixed up a bit.

Such datas normaly cant display good values:

............................. ..... 980 hp at 18,375 ............................. ...............

............... Maximum speed 329 mph at 13,125 feet.....................

But this datas are the "normal" datas in books etc.


The best speed should be archived above rated altitude, otherwise its missleading.

A captured tested  Ki43II show a Vmax of 506km/h(314mph) in 2800m(9180ft) and 536km/h(331mph) in 6000m(19680ft).

Climb to 5000m was 4,8min.

I dont know the condistions of this particular plane, but in general the captured planes are not perfect.

But id this engine realy had 980hp in 5700m, i have no coubt that this light plane could a go a bit faster(compare this with the HurriIa).

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« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2006, 09:18:45 AM »
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It's just shortening the name of their nationality, I don't see how it is offensive.


 Just like the word "n i g g e r" and "c h i n k" is nothing but a slighly corrupted form of the word "negro" and "china", each a racial and national identity. Why would African-Americans or Asians ever be offended about such a word?


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 The point is that whether a certain term is offensive or not depends on the social context of things. You could call someone by a million good things and if he is offended by it, then you should be careful about it.

 Many Japanese people do not like it when someone calls them a "Jap". So common courtesy demands that we call them "Japanese" as they would prefer, just like how some "William"s or "Richard"s would be preferred to be called "William" and "Richard", not "Bill" or "Dick".

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« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2006, 11:26:05 AM »
ABSTRACT
Popular works on World War Two history, such as Dr. Rene J. Francillon's tome Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War, generally state that the Japanese Nakajima Type 1 Model 1 fighter (Ki 43-I), Hayabusa, was produced successively in three versions ko, otsu, and hei (Ki 43-IA, -IB, and -IC) armed, respectively with 2x7.7 mm machine guns; 1x7.7.mm machine gun and 1x12.7mm machine cannon; and 2x12.7 mm machine cannon. It is generally reported that the version with two 12.7 mm machine cannon (Ki 43-IC) was the major production version.

This paper presents evidence that while the twin 7.7mm version and twin 12.7mm version were introduced prior to the mixed armament version, the latter was introduced very early in the production run (prior to the outbreak of the Pacific War), was undoubtedly the major version of this aircraft to see action, and examples of operational aircraft with the alternative armaments are both relatively rare and may well have been retrofits. However, due to the ready inter-changeability of the two weapons types and absent direct evidence, the exact number of production types and retrofits could not be determined.


The complete article at,
http://www.warbirdforum.com/rdunn43.htm

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« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2006, 12:27:57 PM »
Hi Milo,

thats a article only about the Ki43-I, but the Ki43 was going a very similar way like the A6M. The Ki43-II got a shorter wingspan and the more strong engine. Nakajima produced around 716 Ki43-i´s and 2492 Ki43-II´s, my source dont say exact, if the 2629 planes (Ki43-I and -II), produced by Tachiakawa are already included(i guess no).
The Ki43-IIIa got produced in late 1944, the main different to the Ki43-IIb was a more powerfull engine(higher rated alt) and more internal fuel and some changings regarding the hardpoints for droptanks etc.

Already the Ki43-II(in service since late 1942) got selfsealing tanks and pilot amor!!
 
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« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2006, 06:06:59 PM »
hmmm...

Interesting that how people think the plane is made of crap, while every plane designed post '41 was designed to outperform the zero. the zeke was the standard by which all US aircraft in the PTO were judged, and thankfully the allied went to work to do just that.

In AH, it takes patience to both get kills, and to get home in a zeke. I'm a birdcage hog driver primarily, and I get my kicks getting in an early zeke. I love that ride, actually, and very, very few players can beat a highly skilled zeke pilot in a knife fight.

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« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2006, 06:33:20 PM »
109 vs zeke is fun. 109F vs a6m in AH1 was a blast!
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2006, 09:21:11 PM »
I found very rare videos of Jpn Navy planes are Zeros

日本軍用機集 海軍篇 1/6

And some Imperial Army Aircraft Inventory