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Offline Stang

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We are delaying the late war split.
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2006, 04:12:28 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2006, 04:16:10 PM »
Thanks a bunch HT.

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2006, 04:16:38 PM »
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2006, 04:22:21 PM »
honestly, imop MA was all about this game , that reached the climax 3-4 weeks ago, with 600+players online every evenings and about 300+players in Fighter Town on doughnut map,

   That was fun !:)
now is memories:cry
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2006, 04:24:48 PM »
TY HiTech for implementing some change.

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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2006, 04:25:01 PM »
why not just live with the overcrowding and go back to MAs with all planes enabled, no holds barred?
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2006, 05:31:58 PM »
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why not just live with the overcrowding and go back to MAs with all planes enabled, no holds barred?


Well HT is trying to improve his product...................... .  he believes that overcrowding is hurting his product............... soooooooooooo
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2006, 05:33:34 PM »
Thanks Hitech!:aok
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2006, 05:37:44 PM »
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Omg...

Here I was checking in here to see what this new Late War Spitfire was, and when it was actually going to be available..


"SPLIT"  yeah...got it!!

I did the same thing:lol

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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2006, 05:58:05 PM »
See Rules #2, #4
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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2006, 06:28:03 PM »
Thanks HiTech..


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Re: Sorry HITECH,
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2006, 06:35:04 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2006, 06:51:27 PM »
No more ENY in the EW arena? YEAH!  Now you don't have to up a B5N to fight a Hurri 2C or Spit V!!!

I think this and raising the LW number cap is defintely amove in the right (as in correct or best, not the opposite of left) direction!:aok

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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2006, 07:24:28 PM »
<--ive got a spit5 woodie :D

(hmmm wonder if Hitech told them about the no HO EW setting ?)  :noid
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« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2006, 07:35:38 PM »
HT, all due respect sir, I have a question.

First a bit of data:

These are the top speeds and max rate of climbs of the EW planeset. I took these off the AH charts and didn't use a micrometer. I just made an honest try at identifying the data there. I gave things the benefit of the doubt and usually rounded up a bit if it were a close call. Speeds/Rates are at 10k, which is usually a bit high for EW fights. WEP numbers are used for planes that have WEP.

  • Aircraft      Top Speed      Climb Rate
  • B5N2      220      1400
  • C-47      220      1000
  • Ju-87-D-3   230      1200
  • D3A1      240      2200
  • SBD-5      250      1400
  • TBM-3      255      900
  • Lancaster III   265      700
  • Ju-88-A-4   275      1200
  • F4F-4      305      2200
  • Hurri Mk I   305      2500
  • A6M2      310      2500
  • Hurri Mk IIC   315      2600
  • P-40B      320      2300
  • Bf-110C-4b   325      2700
  • Boston III   330      1900
  • Bf-109E-4   335      3100
  • P-40E      335      2100
  • Spit I      335      2700
  • Spit V      345      3200
  • C-202      350      3600
  • P-38G      360      2800
  • Bf-109F-4   365      3900
  • Spit IX      365      3700
  • Fw-190A-5   370      2900


Looking at the last six aircraft, these planes can do between 345 and 370 which is very fast compared to the rest of the planeset here. Not coincidentally their climbrates from 2900 up to 3900 fpm are all very good for the planeset.

Now let's add the "first combat" dates:

  • Spit V 4/41      345      3200
  • C-202 11/41      350      3600
  • P-38G 11/42      360      2800
  • Bf-109F-4 6/41                   365      3900
  • Spit IX   7/42                   365      3700
  • Fw-190A-5 2/43                   370      2900


Clearly the Spit V, C-202, Bf-109F-4 are early war. They are all 1941 aircraft.

While the C-202 has impressive speed and climb that is significantly mitigated by its well below average gun package.

The Bf-109F-4 similarly shows good speed and climb but its gun package mitigates much of that as well.

These two, despite high top speed and excellent climb do not dominate the fight because of the gun packages.

The Spit V is also clearly early war has good speed, good climb and pretty good guns. It doesn't totally dominate either but the gun package makes it extremely popular and extremely common to find in the fights. As a result, because of it's overall very good performance and guns, I would perk this aircraft to promote diversity in the arena.

The P-38G with an 11/42 introduction has great speed but a pretty much average climb with a good gun package. It doesn't dominate the arena but a well-flown P-38 using E tactics is pretty safe in the EW arena. IMO, this aircraft fits well in the MW arena but is a bit out of place in the EW due to the high top speed and good guns. Still, it would be a close call EW/MW.

The Spit IX with a 7/42 introduction is closer in time to the EW aircraft but it really is a MW aircraft considering performance and guns. It has excellent speed, amazing climb and guns. I think it clearly should be in the MW arena with other similar aircraft.

The Fw-190A-5 has a clear MW introduction date of 2/43. It is the fastest plane in EW but it's climb rate is only good, not amazing. It's gun package, with the 4x20mm is significantly better than most of the EW planeset. Even with 2X20mm it has slightly above average guns. This plane, even more than the P-38G, can be untouchable using E tactics against EW aircraft. I think it should clearly be in the MW arena.

Lastly, the Hurricane IIC; clearly an EW aircraft by introduction date, and average in speed and climb, it's gun package is awesome. Unfortunately, this makes it the La-7 of the EW arena. I would perk this aircraft highly to promote diversity and ACM tactics.

Now, the above data and opinions lead to the following question:

Would you consider moving the P-38G, Spit IX and Fw-1190A-5 out of the EW and into the MW?

Futher, would you consider perking the Spit V lightly and the Hurri IIC rather heavily to promote diversity in the EW arena?

I think these moves would make the EW a better arena, more in tune with the spirit of EW air combat.

Thank you for you consideration and time.
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