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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #30 on: October 01, 2006, 09:54:30 AM »
Ok... I still don't get it...  A carrier that accomplished it's mission had a banner saying so... the sailors felt proud... as they should..

why do some try to paint that as Bush saying that all effort in iraq would cease at that moment?

I sure hope such people never get a chance to teach young people.

We really do need a voucher system before things get even sillier.

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« Reply #31 on: October 01, 2006, 10:14:31 AM »
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why do some try to paint that as Bush saying that all effort in iraq would cease at that moment?


Because the anti-Bush anything crowd has no objection to lieing and distorting to serve their hate filled agenda.  

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I sure hope such people never get a chance to teach young people.

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« Reply #32 on: October 01, 2006, 11:14:36 AM »
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But why would someone be terrified, sitting in an armored humvee, protected by a gun shield, wearing a kevlar helmet and body armor


Obviously from someone who's never been shot at:rolleyes:
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« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2006, 11:18:56 AM »
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Obviously from someone who's never been shot at:rolleyes:


Yup.  

A braver armchair warrior has not been found.
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« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2006, 11:40:48 AM »
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Because the anti-Bush anything crowd has no objection to lieing and distorting to serve their hate filled agenda.


Hmm, Bush, lieing, distorting, and agenda in the same sentence. I think I see a subliminal message.
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« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2006, 11:48:24 AM »
Aqua,

It's time for you to have a nice cup of STFU. The proper tactics and doctrine have already been explained to you. Unlike reading in a nice sterile, non hostile and quiet environment, a battle for real is neither text book, static or following the "ideal script".

There is no real time fully armed, fueled air response assets available on a 24 hr 7 day a week 5 minute arrival basis for every freaking troop or asset movement in the country. The air assets that are on station are there because of preplanned and implemented battle action plans. The same for ground rapid reaction forces.

It still takes time to get from the staging area to the area of combat and be able to determine in a compact urban environment where the good guys are and where the bad guys are. There is also a little thing such as aiming errors, blast radius and obstacles for the incoming rounds to get by to hit the target.

For the ground forces there is the concept of multiple ambushes. It doesn't take a tactical genius to determine if an ambush is started at point C it will innitiate a response from enemy forces at point D and that they will likely travel along route X. This means you can plan for a second and third or more ambushes along likely choke points to hit the reaction force before they are in a position to assist the first forces. The air and artillery assets are now split even further to try and support two or more active combat actions now going on.

The real word is not like some computer or video game. There are real penalties for taking improper actions or not following tactical doctrine that is written in blood from numerous combats in the past all over the world.
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2006, 01:00:56 PM »
Good thing Skuzzy is ultra-consistent at deleting personal attacks.

Back on topic sorta, the White House made that banner and brought it to the ship.  It's obvious what message they were trying to send.  You can try to spin your way out of it, but anyone who knows **** from shinola can see what was going on there.

As for this ambush, just another example of American lives and resources being wasted in this quagmire the Neocons have created.  I'm sure the escort was just following SOPs.  It's not their fault they got assigned trying to "accomplish" an unwinnable war.  Here's to whoever has the balls to admit defeat and bring them home.
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« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2006, 01:32:25 PM »
Funked if you wanna look at it that way, then try this on for size....The primary mission was accomplished...The STATE MILITARY of IRAQ was defeated
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« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2006, 01:40:32 PM »
Re the carrier event, it was to celebrate the "end of major combat operations."  Whether major combat operations have finished is somehow debatable.

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« Reply #39 on: October 01, 2006, 01:56:58 PM »
Here's to whoever has the balls to admit defeat and bring them home.
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« Reply #40 on: October 01, 2006, 02:06:16 PM »
Am I wrong, or :
1: The escort drove on despite being called.
2. There was no cover for the next 40 minutes.

WTF is that supposed to be? Some escort and communication yes?
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« Reply #41 on: October 01, 2006, 03:02:01 PM »
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Good thing Skuzzy is ultra-consistent at deleting personal attacks.

Back on topic sorta, the White House made that banner and brought it to the ship.  It's obvious what message they were trying to send.  You can try to spin your way out of it, but anyone who knows **** from shinola can see what was going on there.

As for this ambush, just another example of American lives and resources being wasted in this quagmire the Neocons have created.  I'm sure the escort was just following SOPs.  It's not their fault they got assigned trying to "accomplish" an unwinnable war.  Here's to whoever has the balls to admit defeat and bring them home.


Funked, thats a good way to earn a permanent vacation from the boards.

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« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2006, 03:11:52 PM »
That is very chilling....and sad.

How did that truck driver stay alive for 40 mins before help arrived? Those guys in that truck are very lucky to be alive. My instinct would have been to get out of the tuck and run for my life. It seems like he was just a sitting duck.

I think everyone that goes over there in support of the mission is a hero.

Funked is a hero too, to someone somewhere..... Im guessing.

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« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2006, 03:33:26 PM »
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Whatever happened to showing a bit of bravery?  Bravery is doing the right thing even though you are scared.  

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Maybe you should go show them how it's done.:mad:

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« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2006, 03:52:57 PM »
As a Marine infantryman I was taught never never never stop in an abush kill zone.

Haul ass, meet back up at the objective rally point, and counter attack.

If your stuck in the kill zone thats tough ****, you knew the risks when you signed the contract.