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Offline wrag

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« on: October 21, 2006, 06:21:30 PM »
Question...........

Read here and there on the net that the G14 was intended as a GROUND attack plane?  Heavier, and slower, due to armour etc...........

Is our version of the G14 such a plane?

Would LOVE a G10 to be added!!!!!!!!!!!!

With the nose 20mm and gonds optional!!!!!!!!!!!

The K4 is a great handling plane but the 30mm is, for me anyway, a joke.

Others hit with the 30mm but I simply don't seem to be able to do much with it.

Tried, ever since we got the K4, setting convergence from minimum to max and still see the same thing.

Rounds come out and go high, low, left, right, or any combination BUT to the target.  (try using the target command and see what I mean)

I can be under 200 yards and MISS because of what the rounds do when they come out the barrel.  Dead 6 or deflection shot, don't matter I watch the rounds go wide and miss nearly ALL the time.  If I land 3 kills with it I'm amazed!  

Granted I've got a packet loss problem I've told Skuzzy and AT&T about.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


give us a g10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2006, 02:53:59 AM »
You must very close with the 30mm and i do mean close, close as in you can read his/her name on the side of the plane.


THIS CLOSE:


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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2006, 03:54:22 AM »
Even that close I can miss with the 30mm :(  Seen it happen more then once, and had to use 10 to 20 rounds to hit.

Tried every convergence from minimum to maximum.

It's like the round leaves the gun and acts like an unpatched .50 cal. musket ball coming out of a .69 cal musket barrel, with the shooter flinching and bucking and anyway possible pulling the shot off target nearly evertime :(

I have NO IDEA where the shot is going to go?????

For me getting kills with the 30mm is an excersice in frustration.  I can take up pretty near any other plane with any other armament and hit with it.

Wondering if the luck thing HT n Pyro were talking about is playing some part against me and affecting 30mm in a bad way!
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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2006, 08:25:52 AM »
Its a german ride.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2006, 08:28:38 AM by Rikitic »
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Re: G14
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 05:17:22 PM »
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Question...........

Read here and there on the net that the G14 was intended as a GROUND attack plane?  Heavier, and slower, due to armour etc...........



109G-14 was NOT a A2G plane.  The Germans left that to Fw 190s.

109G-14 was basically an OVERBOOSTED 109G-6.  No extra rice was added on the 109G-14.  This version used wooden tail section to conserve metal (go figure - the Germs were running out of metal at late war)
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2006, 05:38:16 PM »
I have always read that the K model had the wooden tail, and what would a wooden tail have to do with his aim?

i kill bombers with the 30mm option and usually with 1 shot.I practiced offline for a very long time making high speed passes on the 4 dummie planes, after all that is why they are there.

Wrag you should look at it as a challenge to kill with the 30mm and keep trying before long you will get it down.
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2006, 01:56:46 AM »
I don't know what the germans were thinking back then but they gave late 109s like the G-14 and K-4 lightweight armaments that packed heavy punch.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2006, 02:18:20 AM »
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Would LOVE a G10 to be added!!!!!!!!!!!!

With the nose 20mm and gonds optional!!!!!!!!!!!


(yawn)  109G-10 is just the same as the 109G-14 but streamlined nose.  The G-10's performance was same as the G-14s.
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2006, 04:31:28 AM »
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(yawn)  109G-10 is just the same as the 109G-14 but streamlined nose.  The G-10's performance was same as the G-14s.


Wanna put where you obtained your information up so others can see it too?

I realize the rest of us must SEEM boring to you Sir after all we do ellicite (yawns) from you.

So please show where you obtained your information.  Then at least the rest of us can STOP boring your ....... magnificence?.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2006, 06:54:28 AM »
Hi,

dont you know to use the search option??


There are plenty of 109 related theatres in the "aircraft and vehicles" forum.

Actually the G10 and G14 COULD be almost the same, but this depends to the used engine, but in general the G10 was closer to the K4.

The G10 was somewhat the middle between G14 and K4. Most datasheets i saw show the G10 with a DB605D(in general +MW50), while the G14 in general had the DB605AM(DB605A + MW50) or ASM(DB605AS + MW50).

The biggest different of this engines and the related plane performence,  is the rated altitude.

DB605AM:
1800PS sea level
1700PS 4000m
1150PS 7800m
1250PS 6800m

DB605ASM:
1800PS sea level
1500PS 6400m
1150PS 7800m

DB605DB(the ASB had pretty much the same values):
1850PS sea level
1600PS 6000m
1285PS 6800m

Greetings,

Knegel
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2006, 10:35:13 AM »
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Hi,

dont you know to use the search option??


There are plenty of 109 related theatres in the "aircraft and vehicles" forum.

Actually the G10 and G14 COULD be almost the same, but this depends to the used engine, but in general the G10 was closer to the K4.

The G10 was somewhat the middle between G14 and K4. Most datasheets i saw show the G10 with a DB605D(in general +MW50), while the G14 in general had the DB605AM(DB605A + MW50) or ASM(DB605AS + MW50).

The biggest different of this engines and the related plane performence,  is the rated altitude.

DB605AM:
1800PS sea level
1700PS 4000m
1150PS 7800m
1250PS 6800m

DB605ASM:
1800PS sea level
1500PS 6400m
1150PS 7800m

DB605DB(the ASB had pretty much the same values):
1850PS sea level
1600PS 6000m
1285PS 6800m

Greetings,

Knegel


I do and I did.......................

My finding pretty much agree with yours.  G10 is a generally faster then the G14 with preformance closer to the K4.  SOOOOO they are NOT the same plane........................ ...

Also saw references to the G14's use was as a ground attack plane due to it's high alt preformance, it seems most G14s due, to engine differences, didn't do real well, when compared to G10 and K4???, above 16K???.

That's why I asked where the information was obtained and requested a link.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2006, 12:57:09 AM »
Hi,

afaik most G14īs had the DB605ASM, they dont was used as groundattackers in general. As IK2 wrote, this task the 190īs did fullfill.

I didnt read about more engine problems with the DB605A(S)M than DB605D.

btw, it depends to the used engine which plane was faster!! The G14AS was faster in very high alt, while the G14 (AM) was fatser in medium

Greetings,

Knegel
« Last Edit: October 24, 2006, 01:03:27 AM by Knegel »
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