Author Topic: Why I care about religion (Read 8408 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #180 on:** October 09, 2006, 07:41:00 AM »

Sounds like a Madrassas for christianity.

lazs2 · « **Reply #181 on:** October 09, 2006, 08:27:39 AM »

shukins gets it... I never think about athiest much because they are such a minor religion.

I think that is the problem.. they want attention... never seen one who didn't.

I think most people would agree that discriminating against the athiest religion is not good if it denies them basic human rights. They should be able to hold office.

Where do I sign the petition to get this widely used abuse removed?

How can I help in fighting all this persecution?

I think the thing I really don't like about athiests is their habit of going from arrogant "smarter than you with your myths" to crybaby.. "we are so piocked on" so seamlessly and so easily... often 5 or six times in the same conversation.

lazs

Gunthr · « **Reply #182 on:** October 09, 2006, 09:04:35 AM »

The most precious sacrament for the Athiest religeon seems to be attacks against other religions.

I believe in my own concept of God, yet I am quite content to just let Athiests be. I confess that sometimes, I'd just like them to be... quiet.

storch · « **Reply #183 on:** October 09, 2006, 09:12:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sounds like a Madrassas for christianity.

why would you concern yourself with either form of theology. you seem to be a very weak atheist. why are you always seeking approbation from outside of your own religious community? show some conviction in your institutionalized unbelief.

Chairboy · « **Reply #184 on:** October 09, 2006, 09:14:46 AM »

Just saying it sounds kinda like the christian equivalent of a Madrassas, what does that have to do with me having weak convictions?

StSanta · « **Reply #185 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:16:32 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
shukins gets it... I never think about athiest much because they are such a minor religion.

I think that is the problem.. they want attention... never seen one who didn't.

I think most people would agree that discriminating against the athiest religion is not good if it denies them basic human rights. They should be able to hold office.

Where do I sign the petition to get this widely used abuse removed?

How can I help in fighting all this persecution?

I think the thing I really don't like about athiests is their habit of going from arrogant "smarter than you with your myths" to crybaby.. "we are so piocked on" so seamlessly and so easily... often 5 or six times in the same conversation.

lazs

Hey Lazs. I've read a few of your posts regarding atheism, god or gods and faith in general. Numerous times you define atheism as a religion with money/family/egoism being the god.

I do not fully understand this argument, probably because how I define god(s) and religion is different from yours. Could you perhaps clarify what you mean when you use those two words? Then I may understand your point which has been eluding me for some time.

storch · « **Reply #186 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:27:08 AM »

futurewalkaboutboy,

I'm just saying that you don't see christian posters attempting to make what could be construed as derogatory statements about athieism. to me that type of behavior would indicate a level of weakness, a lack of conviction on the part of of someone making the type of comment you have made.

onto the next topic. from what I understand of the madrasa is that it they are schools that teach wajabism. wajabism is reportedly a militant spin-off of sunni islam. I say this with only a cursory understanding of islam in general and no understanding of wajabism at all. so outside a troll, how would you, a person who is not involved in either religion would have sufficient understanding of either form of religion to print that type of remark? the most offensive form of christianity that I'm aware of was the medieval catholic church. in what way and in what manifestation do christians have anything remotely related to wajab islam today?

now a question to test your knowledge of current religious events.

what is the most oppressed and discriminated form of organized religion on the planet today?

JB88 · « **Reply #187 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:34:53 AM »

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Originally posted by storch

what is the most oppressed and discriminated form of organized religion on the planet today?

they eat him...poke and twirl him with a fork. i have even seen them throw the remnants away with common kitchen waste...the horror.

Chairboy · « **Reply #188 on:** October 09, 2006, 10:44:19 AM »

Storch, your message doesn't make sense. You're saying I can't comprehend wahabism or extremist religion of any sort because I'm not religious? I disagree, you don't have to be a rapist to have an opinion on rape, an abortionist to have an opinion on abortion, a football player to have an opinion on how the game is played, or a musician to appreciate a good song.

Madrasas are extremist schools that teach their students to use the religion as a weapon and to believe that they are involved in a holy war against the forces of evil. The school featured in that video appeared to be doing something very similar, ie my statement that it 'sounds like a madrassas'. This is an anti-christian statement, because I don't believe that school and its teachings represents the whole (or even the majority) of christians, just as I believe the Madrassas, as crappy as they are, do not represent all muslims.

I don't believe I've called you a troll, and I'm not sure where your veiled accusation comes from. Disagreement is not trolling, this is a concept that's integral to civil discussion on sensitive subjects.

As for who the most discriminated group is, I don't know. I know that there is widespread discrimination against christians in muslim countries and places like China. I also know that muslims in every country are being taken off planes, arrested for prayer, and systematically discriminated against because people only see the face of the 19 hijackers when they see them. I don't think it's a contest to see who is going to "win" the great "I'm being discriminated against most" war of 2001->Whenever, I think everyone (including atheists) thinks that everyone is out to get 'em, and to varying degrees, everyone is right.

storch · « **Reply #189 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:00:03 AM »

I'm saying that I didn't come away with an impression of "sounds like a madrassa for christianity" and I don't understand how you do. I don't think that even after your suggestion I could come away with the same conclusion you did. I just don't see the correlation, sorry.

there will probably never be any people donning an explosives lined vest, running into a crowd of moslem children and detonating themselves to a frenzied shout of "bush akbar".

what you will see is people laying down thier lives in the service of their fellow man irrespective of color, creed or religion as is the tradition in true christianity. the very same thing that is occurring in the sudan and china amidst unspeakable privation, persecution and suffering.

indy007 · « **Reply #190 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:03:30 AM »

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aqua, provide and anwser to the persistently nagging question of origin where did this tenacious life come from? while you're at it also provide one example of chaos evolving into order.

There are examples of the natural course being increasing order... plenty of them...

Try this... take a bag of marbles. Randomly drop them into a small bowl. When they stop moving around they'll have formed organized layers and hexagonal patterns. Disorder to order without any measurable supernatural influence.

Most solids have a naturally crystalline structure. The atoms line up in orderly fashion, and takes effort to make it non-crystalline.

When it rains molecules are spread over a large area, and become ordered by forming into droplets, and more ordered still when they hit the ground and form into relatively small volumes.

Self-assembly happens all the time in biological systems.

storch · « **Reply #191 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:12:52 AM »

yup gravity will pull uniformly round objects uniformly at the bottom of a bowl. yup water will collect and form puddles but these examples you provide are all examples pre existing ordered systems replicating.

since you are asking me to try an experiment then turnabout is fair play. set off an explosion in a print shop and have the result of the explosion be the inerrant yellow pages for your town nicely printed and shrink wrapped.

indy007 · « **Reply #192 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:23:56 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
yup gravity will pull uniformly round objects uniformly at the bottom of a bowl. yup water will collect and form puddles but these examples you provide are all examples pre existing ordered systems replicating.

since you are asking me to try an experiment then turnabout is fair play. set off an explosion in a print shop and have the result of the explosion be the inerrant yellow pages for your town nicely printed and shrink wrapped.

You asked for chaos to order natural systems, you got it. The fact that it replicates simply proves the point that it's a repeatable experiment and goes beyond a theory to a fact that natural systems can and do create order from chaos.

Bombing a print shop has very little to do with natural laws other than the thermal expansion of the explosion, pressure shockwave, etc, etc. However, if you were able to replicate said bombing down to the movement of air molecules, the debris from the explosion theoretically will always land in the exact same order. I doubt they'll be shrink wrapped though.

Make you a deal... you provide the print shops, I'll provide the denatured alcohol and fertilizer.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #193 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:40:09 AM »

What I fail to understand is why do atheists make such a fuss about their belief almost like the 'believers' themselves. Much smarter would be to get registered to the dominant religion of the area, lurk in the corners and bide your time. (Some of you may catch the joke).

That's what I do. Even though I was registered through birth and baptism, I had a church wedding and the works, not a single minute was I a beliver or cared about the stuff. But you can believe it was SO much easyer to arrange everything that way. If someone has issues about being registered to something they're being religious extremists themselves despite not believing in any deity. Ironic.

Chairboy · « **Reply #194 on:** October 09, 2006, 11:48:02 AM »

Mr Ripley, I'm making a "fuss" about being told that I cannot hold office in 7 of the United States because of the entry on my form under "religion". I'm being "uppity" because I can not legally testify in court in parts of the country in which I am a citizen. If you'd prefer me to go to the back of the bus and just be quiet, I'm afraid I cannot oblige you.

I love this country, and it is my responsibility (not just my privilege or right) to attempt redress of laws that violate the constitution to which I have sworn my allegiance.