Author Topic: Why I care about religion (Read 8416 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #255 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:33:41 PM »

10 commandments are good, but I don't want them:
1. Used as laws in the US.
2. Posted in public buildings with the implication that they are public policy.

If you don't know why I object, take a look at 1, 3, and 4.

Arlo · « **Reply #256 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:42:50 PM »

So you're good with no punishment for murder and theft? Luck with that.

Vulcan · « **Reply #257 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:48:23 PM »

Sorry seagoon, but thats bollocks.

"Buddhism was, and is, the dominant religion in Thailand. The philosophy of the priests was non-attachment to the world. Thus, if a prisoner dropped at the side of the road and was obviously dying, they would ignore him. The pitiful condition of the slave labourers was of
no concern to them. There was no place for mercy in their thinking."

This is seems to be a very one eyed view. For a start buddhist monks usually have no posessions, and secondly the japanese would probably execute them if they did do anything. Buddhism aspires to teach great respect for life. I can easily counter this example with examples of 'christians' in germany who did not lift a finger to help jews in concentration camps, or in some cases even exploited them.

My view on posts such as yours...
If a christian man commits a good deed, he is a good christian. If he commits a bad deed, then he is obviously not a true christian. (as viewed by christinans)

If a buddhist man commits a good deed, he is a good man. If he commits a bad deed, then he is a bad man. (as viewed by buddhists)

Apply it to your post.

See the difference?

moot · « **Reply #258 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:26:28 AM »

You shouldn't admit something you can't prove.
You can't prove something that's outside the dominion of reason, religion being one of those things.

Just as you can't do certain things at the commands of an airliner without a good reason, you can't responsibly allow your own faith to affect anyone but yourself; not without their consent.
Should your faith, or the consequences of your faith's 'overlap' onto another's inalienable rights, e.g. equal opportunity to pursue hapiness, you would be left to justify your actions by something unreasonable (see first paragraph).

Debonair · « **Reply #259 on:** October 12, 2006, 05:28:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
Sorry seagoon, but thats bollocks.

"Buddhism was, and is, the dominant religion in Thailand. The philosophy of the priests was non-attachment to the world. Thus, if a prisoner dropped at the side of the road and was obviously dying, they would ignore him. The pitiful condition of the slave labourers was of
no concern to them. There was no place for mercy in their thinking."

This is seems to be a very one eyed view. For a start buddhist monks usually have no posessions, and secondly the japanese would probably execute them if they did do anything. Buddhism aspires to teach great respect for life. I can easily counter this example with examples of 'christians' in germany who did not lift a finger to help jews in concentration camps, or in some cases even exploited them.

My view on posts such as yours...
If a christian man commits a good deed, he is a good christian. If he commits a bad deed, then he is obviously not a true christian. (as viewed by christinans)

If a buddhist man commits a good deed, he is a good man. If he commits a bad deed, then he is a bad man. (as viewed by buddhists)

Apply it to your post.

See the difference?

i dont see the difference, but i didn't read the post, or most of this thread omfg lol

storch · « **Reply #260 on:** October 12, 2006, 07:41:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Vulcan
My view on posts such as yours...
If a christian man commits a good deed, he is a good christian. If he commits a bad deed, then he is obviously not a true christian. (as viewed by christinans)

If a buddhist man commits a good deed, he is a good man. If he commits a bad deed, then he is a bad man. (as viewed by buddhists)

Apply it to your post.

See the difference?

sorry vulcan but that is your perception. any person who commits a bad deed is not necessarily a bad person but perhaps a person who made an incorrect choice. a person who commits a good deed is not necessarily a good person, sometimes truly bad people do very good things for ulterior reasons. what has any of that to do with a person's belief system?

storch · « **Reply #261 on:** October 12, 2006, 07:45:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
10 commandments are good, but I don't want them:
1. Used as laws in the US.
2. Posted in public buildings with the implication that they are public policy.

If you don't know why I object, take a look at 1, 3, and 4.

chairboy have you read the poem "invictus" by william e. henley?

Eagler · « **Reply #262 on:** October 12, 2006, 07:46:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
10 commandments are good, but I don't want them:
1. Used as laws in the US.
2. Posted in public buildings with the implication that they are public policy.

If you don't know why I object, take a look at 1, 3, and 4.

wah!!

china is nice this time of year ...

Chairboy · « **Reply #263 on:** October 12, 2006, 08:05:04 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
chairboy have you read the poem "invictus" by william e. henley?

Yep. ?

Chairboy · « **Reply #264 on:** October 12, 2006, 08:09:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
wah!!

china is nice this time of year ...

You know what's even better? Establishing a country with the clear goal of keeping government and politics apart so neither can infect the other. What you implicitly advocate is unconstitutional. You don't have to be an atheist to see that.

storch · « **Reply #265 on:** October 12, 2006, 08:28:57 AM »

chairboy, what you fail to see is that the ten commandments are the basis for our legal system. nothing is implied it is a fact, that's why it works as well as it does. is this what rubs you in the wrong direction?

Chairboy · « **Reply #266 on:** October 12, 2006, 08:34:21 AM »

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You shall have no other gods before me.

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You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God.

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Remember the Sabbath, and keep it holy

You really don't have a problem with these being official government policy?

Eagler · « **Reply #267 on:** October 12, 2006, 08:37:50 AM »

some ppl just can't get their head around the idea there is more to life than themselves

heheh .. in the end, they are in for a rude awakening lol

Eagler · « **Reply #268 on:** October 12, 2006, 08:39:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
You really don't have a problem with these being official government policy?

really can't remember then last time anyone was arrested for saying GD or mowing their lawns on Sunday .... is this REALLY that big an issue in your life?

must be nice ..

storch · « **Reply #269 on:** October 12, 2006, 08:46:23 AM »

not at all

I believe in the creator. since I do then,

why not revere the creator and his name?

why not rest one day out of seven?

have you always been an atheist?

did you know that henley was a crippled by having a foot amputated due to disease. I read somewhere that he was a very bitter man.

these are very common threads that run through most of the atheists I've the pleasure to interact with. they all became angry with God at some point then they wanted to eradicate the God that would not serve them.