Author Topic: lousy fights.. (Read 11776 times)

E25280 · « **Reply #225 on:** October 19, 2006, 09:43:45 PM »

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Originally posted by indy007
I'm still at a complete loss as to why specifically BOPs have banned friends from fighting against each other (except it seems in the TA). That's probably the third dumbest thing I've heard on this game. . .

Plus, I still never got an answer as to why people are banned from changing sides.

I'm not a BoP, but I have answered a similar question (maybe even in this thread -- too lazy to go back and look).

LTARs settled on Bish because that is where they were welcomed. They tended to be made fun of by many Knights players (and I believe Rooks too) as "worthless" or some such nonsense because of their preference for the ground game. This pre-dated my joining, so I am going by hearsay and "squad memory" if there is such a thing.

Which also speaks for why some players do not want to switch countries. Believe it or not, each country does have a slightly different style / personality because of the long-timers there. It may not be apparent to the die-hard furballers, but to the base-takers, it is noticeable. (Or perhaps I should have said did have? Who knows if this is still the case after all the changes.)

But back to your question. It is all about what a squad means to you. To the BKs and others, a squad is a group that likes talking to each other on squad vox while they shoot at each other. There is really no other reason for them to be a squad. I don't know if they polk fun at each other or what, but they like doing what they do. That's all fine and good.

To the LTARs and others, the squad is about being a team. A team cooperates and supports one another. Each individual team member may have a different task, but it is oriented toward one goal. LTARs are probably more heirarchal than most squads. Someone sets the goal, we get our "orders", and we go accomplish the goal. It is the teamwork we are after -- it is part of our fun being a squad.

Switching sides, having some on one side and some on the other, is simply contrary to that view of the "cooperative squad." If the LTARs moved to another country, it would be as a squad, everyone together. Given how they were received in the past, I could understand any reluctance on their part to do so.

I don't mean to speak for the BoPs, but I would imagine their reasoning would be somewhat similar.

Hope it answers your question.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #226 on:** October 19, 2006, 10:06:40 PM »

Yes E25280 that is why I am in a squad, to work with people I enjoy flying with. I don't want to be on some other side shooting at squad mates when I could be working with them....

Also people seem to miss the fact that if BOP members had a problem with the rule we would get out of the squad..

The only real thing that changes if you do go is that you don't get the squad name next to yours. So I would say it's not so much a squad loyalty thing as it is a country based loyalty, even if it is to the as LAZS so beautifly put it "DILDO SHAPED ICON" I personally have been loyal to the dildo from 7-01-03 and never felt the need to change to the spiky headed dildo or the dildo shaped like a horse.

Though really I think Lazs dildo description is a bit rude and crude.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #227 on:** October 20, 2006, 02:26:35 AM »

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Originally posted by E25280
But back to your question. It is all about what a squad means to you. To the BKs and others, a squad is a group that likes talking to each other on squad vox while they shoot at each other. There is really no other reason for them to be a squad. I don't know if they polk fun at each other or what, but they like doing what they do.

Well, we may lack a CO with a Fuhrer complex, but to say there's no reason for us to be a squad is, quite frankly, idiotic.

Flayed1 · « **Reply #228 on:** October 20, 2006, 02:36:59 AM »

Ummm he said "there is no OTHER reason"...... Just thought I would clear that up.....

Ummmm other reasons?

Hammy · « **Reply #229 on:** October 20, 2006, 06:24:37 AM »

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Well, one wonders why you await these arguments, if you've already chosen to cancel your subscription.

The same reason why alot of the BBS population do that "don't" play the game anymore.............

E25280 · « **Reply #230 on:** October 20, 2006, 08:17:29 AM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Well, we may lack a CO with a Fuhrer complex, but to say there's no reason for us to be a squad is, quite frankly, idiotic.

You take offense when none was intended. The only explanation I have ever found / heard about what the BK squad does is "we fight, thats what we do, we're good at it." To which is often added, "we have fun fighting each other."

A group of friends fighting with and against each other, speaking on squad vox. Sounded like an apt description based on what I know. If it is too simplistic an explanation, I'd be happy to learn more.

Regardless, I did not suggest "there's no reason" for you to be a squad, since wanting to talk to/wing with like-minded friends is reason enough.

The squad is what you make of it, as is the game itself.

Now excuse me while I go polish my boots in preparation for inspection by the Fuhrer tonight . . .

lazs2 · « **Reply #231 on:** October 20, 2006, 08:17:53 AM »

so many questions from the same guys... same questions but...

I will try to answer. Why don't I or other furballers just go to the DA...

Well... why don't the bop and other mega squads who won't change countries and only know the guys they fly or 1/3 of the community... why don't they simply fly offline? the drones are as well known to them and they don't like to fight anyway.

Why don't we go to the DA... well it would take a lot of organization to get enough guys to have the kind of variety and numbers in the DA we can get in the MA... to do that with furballers would be like herding cats. it is against our nature to be that anal.. and... we are proud of the fact... that is why so many of us are laughing at you.

U believe I have fought most of your "good" players and none of em stood out to me... I know there are lots of furballers I have fought that really stand out... even months or years after fighting em a few times.

This is a chat room... the bops don't use it as such except to alternately brag or whine. what the bop's do is use the arena for a chat room.

I don't think it is I who have it backwards.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

thndregg · « **Reply #232 on:** October 20, 2006, 08:33:37 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Well... why don't the bop and other mega squads who won't change countries and only know the guys they fly or 1/3 of the community... why don't they simply fly offline? the drones are as well known to them and they don't like to fight anyway.

Fortunately you are not the one with the magic button to simply delete who you wish from the game.

Donzo · « **Reply #233 on:** October 20, 2006, 08:57:46 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
Why don't we go to the DA... well it would take a lot of organization to get enough guys to have the kind of variety and numbers in the DA we can get in the MA... to do that with furballers would be like herding cats. it is against our nature to be that anal.. and... we are proud of the fact... that is why so many of us are laughing at you.

So let me get this straight....you are basically too squealing lazy to organize your furballs in the DA so you expect the game to be tailored to funnel the furballs to you in the MA?

lazs2 · « **Reply #234 on:** October 20, 2006, 09:12:24 AM »

yes... if it will make you happy... we are too lazy to organize furballs in the DA.

To be more accurate tho... we came here thinking this was a game where we could fly cartoon planes against other players and fight. It was our idea that we would do so to relive the stress of everyday life for an hour or two.

We just assumed the the very simplistic strat and reset was something meant to justify the air combat and that few, if any... would find it challenging or even interesting except in the peripheral. as a means not an end.

We did not come here to figure out how to game the extremely simplistic strat or the squad limits or to live by ridged sets of rules and be told what to do. We did not come here to be cut off from 2/3 of the community by some self proclaimed leader who threatens with expulsion any deviation from his plan...

We don't respect that and don't respect players who put up with it.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

1Boner · « **Reply #235 on:** October 20, 2006, 10:43:37 AM »

LAZ SAID---WE CAME HERE THINKING THIS WAS A GAME WHERE WE COULD FLY CARTOON PLANES AGAINST OTHER PLAYERS AND FIGHT.---------------------you can laz ---------------LAZ SAID---WE ASSUMED THE VERY SIMPLISTIC STRAT AND RE-SET WAS SOMETHING MEANT TO JUSTIFY THE AIR COMBAT AND FEW, IF ANY...WOULD FIND IT CHALLENGING OR EVEN INTERESTING EXCEPT IN THE PERIPHERAL.AS A MEANS NOT AN END---------well you were wrong -------LAZ SAID---WE DID NOT COME HERE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GAME THE EXTREMELY SIMPLISTIC STRAT OR THE SQUAD LIMITS OR TO LIVE BY RIDGED SETS OF RULES AND BE TOLD WHAT TO DO.-------then don,t -------LAZ SAID-----WE DID NOT COME HERE TO BE CUT OFF FROM 2/3 OF THE COMMUNITY BY SOME SELF PROCLAIMED LEADER WHO THREATENS WITH EXPULSION ANY DEVIATION FROM HIS PLAN------then don,t ----------------geee that was easy---play the way you want to play and don,t fly with people you don,t want to be with-----it couldn,t possibly be that easy could it????-----but then what would you have to cry about!!!----when i grow up i wanna be just like you laz----can i go one day--just one day please,without hearing you cut somebody down----what are you 10 years old?????----------hugs and kisses---your buddy Boner (eagerly awaiting your usual intelligent reply)

Donzo · « **Reply #236 on:** October 20, 2006, 10:48:26 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
We did not come here to be cut off from 2/3 of the community by some self proclaimed leader who threatens with expulsion any deviation from his plan...

You know, the more I think about this little "cut off from 2/3 of the community" or "just knowing 1/3 of the community" point you keep trying to make,

the more I wonder exactly how much of the "community" you actually interact with.

I mean, given the fact you only do the furball thing, wouldn't you exposure be limited to only the furballers?

You hang with the buffer's and gv's much? If not, wouldn't you be cutting yourself off from a large portion of the "community"?

doc1kelley · « **Reply #237 on:** October 20, 2006, 11:08:51 AM »

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Originally posted by indy007

Is any BOP gonna ever bother to answer my question about what's so wrong with changing sides?

Yeah I will and am from Indy and not a wannabe... sorry couldn't resist. I'm also a naturalized Texan but back in Indy. I started AW back in early 96 and I have been a country player but I did have friends on the other sides. When I joined the bops back then in RR4 of AWETO I also played ETO2 in another squad. I mainly played ETO2 then but I spent a lot of time with the BOPS in RR4 caused I liked the teamwork there, it was a much smaller arena and I did get involved with other country folks. The main reason of the rule is to stop spying and such and it happened back 10 years ago and now is so much more rampant with the ability to bounce back and forth. That is what is wrong with changing sides and us flying together as we know we don't have spies, we fly together for a common goal (the one night a week that we do fly together). If the BOPS changed countries as a whole, I woudn't have a problem with it but I do have a problem of other squaddies changing at will. A "squad" is a "team" and if they are on the other side, they are either spying and giving us an unfair intelligence advantage or are just working against the squad. What is so hard to understand about that? You apparently don't like it but that is YOUR problem and not OUR problem. Contrary to popular belief, this is not BURGER KING, you don't always get it your way and we don't always get it our way either and that is just fine by me.

All The Best...
Jay
awDoc1

doc1kelley · « **Reply #238 on:** October 20, 2006, 11:20:22 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
yes... if it will make you happy... we are too lazy to organize furballs in the DA.

To be more accurate tho... we came here thinking this was a game where we could fly cartoon planes against other players and fight. It was our idea that we would do so to relive the stress of everyday life for an hour or two.

We just assumed the the very simplistic strat and reset was something meant to justify the air combat and that few, if any... would find it challenging or even interesting except in the peripheral. as a means not an end.

We did not come here to figure out how to game the extremely simplistic strat or the squad limits or to live by ridged sets of rules and be told what to do. We did not come here to be cut off from 2/3 of the community by some self proclaimed leader who threatens with expulsion any deviation from his plan...

We don't respect that and don't respect players who put up with it.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Well I guess that you've never read the propaganda on the HT website giving information on the game. What you state is contrary to the marketing information that is designed to draw in the new players. This game is NOT a first person shooter that only fights one way and will never be if it wishes to live. For the hard headed ones (like the BK PR officer), might I suggest that you investigate the home page for this game and read it or have someone read it to you about five hundred times until you understand what it states.

All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1

indy007 · « **Reply #239 on:** October 20, 2006, 11:41:44 AM »

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Originally posted by doc1kelley
Yeah I will and am from Indy and not a wannabe... sorry couldn't resist. I'm also a naturalized Texan but back in Indy.

Unfortunate nickname I've been stuck with for 9 years. I've never even been to Indy. Also, it comes from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, not the state or city

It's kinda sad, but there's a few thousand people that know me as Indy in RL from paintball, but have no clue what my real name is.

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The main reason of the rule is to stop spying and such and it happened back 10 years ago and now is so much more rampant with the ability to bounce back and forth. That is what is wrong with changing sides and us flying together as we know we don't have spies, we fly together for a common goal (the one night a week that we do fly together). [/B]

That's sad you're filled with paranoia and have no trust for your own squadmates to do the right thing. You trust them to cover your 6, but seemingly expect that they would play in a questionable fashion if they're not on your side?

Not offense, like I've always said, whatever floats your boat... but frankly, that lack of trust between squadmates is pretty disturbing. I expect that type of reasoning in competition teams... but this is a game.