Author Topic: Home Defense ... Bayonets? (Read 860 times)

Suave · « **Reply #15 on:** October 11, 2006, 08:04:34 AM »

The Ramones sang a song about the mossberg 590.

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2006, 08:50:28 AM »

excel... don't you have a jury trial in NZ?

Wouldn't a jury of your peers find you innocent no matter what injustice the law calls for?

lazs

Gunthr · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2006, 09:17:16 AM »

I think the thoughtful home defender should ideally have a little folding bayonett-ette on the end of a handgun for optimal home defense. You know how when you run out of ammo you throw the gun at the bad guy? Well, instead of that, you unfold your bayonette-ette and charge the bad guy with this little pee-bringer. Then, if the bad guy doesn't surrender, you do a little sidewalk surgery on him.

Hornet33 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2006, 10:43:17 AM »

Seriously folks. If the situation gets to the point you NEED a bayonet you have more serious issues to contend with. If your going to have a gun in the home for defense, learn to hit your target with the first shot and the whole notion of a blade becomes moot.

I keep my Remington 870 loaded with 4 rounds of #4 Pheasant loads with an additional 5 rounds in a stock mounted carrier. I don't expect to need any more than that, and racking that first round into the chamber is the only warning anyone will get from me.

I don't expect my home to be invaded by an infantry squad wearing body armor and kevlar helmets. It'll be 1 or 2 punks with their basketball jerseys, and pants down around their knees, trying to sneak through a window.

Don't over complicate stuff, keep it simple, and you'll be fine.

Mace2004 · « **Reply #19 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:07:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33

I don't expect my home to be invaded by an infantry squad wearing body armor and kevlar helmets. It'll be 1 or 2 punks with their basketball jerseys, and pants down around their knees, trying to sneak through a window.

Don't over complicate stuff, keep it simple, and you'll be fine.

Actually, there was a case in the 80's in Southern California where a police swat team in body armor and kevlar helmets knocked down a door in the middle of the night without anouncing. The guy in the house was sleeping, heard the noise in the dark and grabbed his handgun and was blown away by the cops. Turned out the cops were working on a tip from a crminal informant who apparently just picked a street address at random. Brings up the question, what would you do if your door gets knocked in in the middle of the night and a bunch of big dark shapes come charging in yelling that they're the police? You gonna grabe that moseburg and open fire or you gonna believe them?

Hawco · « **Reply #20 on:** October 11, 2006, 11:35:26 AM »

If you ever have to produce a bayonet or use it for home defence then you are in a lot of trouble, A bayonet/knife looks menacing as it's supposed to be, but god forbid the day you actually have to try and use it.
That'll be the day you find out a lot more about yourself than what you thought previously...

Hornet33 · « **Reply #21 on:** October 11, 2006, 03:08:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Mace2004
Actually, there was a case in the 80's in Southern California where a police swat team in body armor and kevlar helmets knocked down a door in the middle of the night without anouncing. The guy in the house was sleeping, heard the noise in the dark and grabbed his handgun and was blown away by the cops. Turned out the cops were working on a tip from a crminal informant who apparently just picked a street address at random. Brings up the question, what would you do if your door gets knocked in in the middle of the night and a bunch of big dark shapes come charging in yelling that they're the police? You gonna grabe that moseburg and open fire or you gonna believe them?

So there was "A" case where this happened. I honestly expect to be struck by lightning before a SWAT team breaks down my door by mistake. Besides, if a SWAT team did enter my home, what difference would having a bayonet on my rifle or shotgun do for me other than get me killed. Or are you advocating having high powed rifles loaded with AP ammo for home defense?

Like I said, keep it simple. I choose to use my shotgun with game loads for several reasons. 1-the area around where I live in does have a fairly high crime rate. There are allot of gang bangers around here and if my home was broken into it's more than likely that's what I would be going up against. 2-I live in an appartment so over penetration is a concern. Light game loads will not over penetrate the walls in this place to the extent that I have to worry about seriously injuring someone upstairs, or next door, but if I get a shot off at close range, center mass, I will blow a barn door into someones chest. The shot spread from my 20" smooth bore slug barrel is only about 1 1/2" at 20 feet. I expect to be much closer than that if I have to use it. I also have my Kimber 1911A1 .45 as a backup, but I would grab my shotgun first.

Charon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 11, 2006, 03:38:47 PM »

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Why an M1 carbine for home defense? Obvious disadvantages are length, relatively poor stopping power, and overpenetration.

It actually has as much energy at 100 yards as a 357 has at the muzzle, and hollow points make it even better from a stopping standpoint. However, overpenetration is certainly an issue, especially with ball.

I think the stopping power rumor came from Korea where they were being used like a Garand at ranges of 300 yards or more. You can find veteran opinion that goes both ways with the carbine.

Charon

Bluefish · « **Reply #23 on:** October 11, 2006, 03:45:29 PM »

If you have at least 3 other family members, make sure that they all have bayonetted rifles too. That way if your house is ever invaded by cavalry at least you can form square to repel them.

Just sayin'.....

icemaw · « **Reply #24 on:** October 11, 2006, 03:59:47 PM »

blades are much better for home defense they make much less noise so the nabors dont call the cops once the perp is on the deck and screaming a simple hand over mouth and slice and its all quite again. then there is no explaining to do. you just need to dig a hole.

Ball · « **Reply #25 on:** October 11, 2006, 04:09:00 PM »

i think landmines are the best defence personally.

john9001 · « **Reply #26 on:** October 11, 2006, 04:20:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Ball
i think landmines are the best defence personally.

true, but they are very noisy and they ruin the lawn.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 11, 2006, 04:22:44 PM »

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I think the stopping power rumor came from Korea where they were being used like a Garand at ranges of 300 yards or more. You can find veteran opinion that goes both ways with the carbine.

The lack of power of the .30 carbine rumor was propagated for the same reason as the lack of penetrating power of the .45 Thompson Sub Machine Gun.

In both cases, they used the gun in ways it was not meant to be used, and then elaborated the extent of what actually happened.

Hawco · « **Reply #28 on:** October 11, 2006, 04:27:46 PM »

I can't belive we are talking about using bayonets for home defence lol, I've thought of this thread and realised that I was an idiot to even take this seriously ! I'm no home defence expert but I do have a little bit of experience in the use of bayonets and so I will defer to the home defence experts on this one.

Mace2004 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 11, 2006, 04:27:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
So there was "A" case where this happened. I honestly expect to be struck by lightning before a SWAT team breaks down my door by mistake. Besides, if a SWAT team did enter my home, what difference would having a bayonet on my rifle or shotgun do for me other than get me killed. Or are you advocating having high powed rifles loaded with AP ammo for home defense?

The point I was making was simply the irony of what you said and the fact that bizarre things like this do, occasionally, happen. The fact that this was the exception (i.e., very rare) actually supports your point.