Author Topic: mac v pc (Read 1318 times)

Rolex · « **Reply #30 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:05:07 PM »

You can play AH on an Intel Mac.

I tried a Mac in the 8.x days, but went back to a PC because of the apps I wanted to run. OSX has some nice features, so I have both now.

I don't have to be on only one side of the fence or the other, a la Mac vs. PC. I'm on both sides.

For me, the ability to switch languages of the OS almost instantly is one of those nice features that Windows can't do. There are many other clever touches to OSX and built in features and abilities that require you to buy or find 3rd party software. Video conferences using iChat and iSight camera seem like a generation leap above anything available for PC.

As far as security, well, I don't really care if it's from a smaller market or built into the OS architecture, the end result is that there has still, to this day, never been a virus or worm for Mac. That is probably the only absolute you can say. Any thing is all about user preferences.

Cost analysis of either cannot simply be made based on hardware, you have to consider the additional cost of PC software that is already included in OSX. You don't need to buy MS Office for a Mac. With OSX and todays Apple line-up, the analogy to buying a Mercedes or buying a Chevy is appropriate.

I wouldn't post my opinion about Macs if I didn't own one. Call me strange, but I also don't give an opinion about movies I haven't seen or books I haven't read...

JB88 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:47:08 PM »

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Originally posted by lasersailor184
http://tv.truenuff.com/mac/

p.c. -MIDGETS?!

mac - yah. midgets!

LOLOLOLOLOL

JB88 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 13, 2006, 07:48:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
You can play AH on an Intel Mac.

I tried a Mac in the 8.x days, but went back to a PC because of the apps I wanted to run. OSX has some nice features, so I have both now.

I don't have to be on only one side of the fence or the other, a la Mac vs. PC. I'm on both sides.

For me, the ability to switch languages of the OS almost instantly is one of those nice features that Windows can't do. There are many other clever touches to OSX and built in features and abilities that require you to buy or find 3rd party software. Video conferences using iChat and iSight camera seem like a generation leap above anything available for PC.

As far as security, well, I don't really care if it's from a smaller market or built into the OS architecture, the end result is that there has still, to this day, never been a virus or worm for Mac. That is probably the only absolute you can say. Any thing is all about user preferences.

Cost analysis of either cannot simply be made based on hardware, you have to consider the additional cost of PC software that is already included in OSX. You don't need to buy MS Office for a Mac. With OSX and todays Apple line-up, the analogy to buying a Mercedes or buying a Chevy is appropriate.

I wouldn't post my opinion about Macs if I didn't own one. Call me strange, but I also don't give an opinion about movies I haven't seen or books I haven't read...

well stated rolex.

2bighorn · « **Reply #33 on:** October 13, 2006, 08:03:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
to this day, never been a virus or worm for Mac. That is probably the only absolute you can say.

Urban legend...

I have used both and must say that today, even after Apple finally figured out what to do with extra mouse buttons and scroll wheel, Mac has nothing over PC. Boot Camp may boost market share for short period until users figure out that Windows run on PCs as good as on Macs if not better.

Heck, in terms of OS Linux has bigger market share...

U.S. Mac Market Share
1Q 2005: 3.8%
1Q 2006: 3.6%

Worldwide Mac Market Share
1Q 2005: 2.2%
1Q 2006: 2.0%

Rolex · « **Reply #34 on:** October 13, 2006, 11:47:31 PM »

I mistyped something (early morning...).

I meant to say: "There are many other clever touches to OSX and built in features and abilities that don't require you to buy or find 3rd party software."

Having a small market share is not a bad thing if you have one less item available than there is demand for.

If it's an urban legend, please set me straight. Can you point me to evidence of a factory configured Apple machine ever being compromised by a virus? Thanks.

Chairboy · « **Reply #35 on:** October 14, 2006, 12:01:22 AM »

Many, many viruses. I used to clean up WDEF and NVIR infections all the time.

Oh, you probably meant OS X. It's rare, but they happen.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5224924
http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/macosxleap.html
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/osx.leap.a.html

2bighorn · « **Reply #36 on:** October 14, 2006, 12:04:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
If it's an urban legend, please set me straight. Can you point me to evidence of a factory configured Apple machine ever being compromised by a virus? Thanks.

Ever heard of OSX/Leap and such?

Anyways, if it would be so secure there would be no need for sites like
http://www.securemac.com/

Hap · « **Reply #37 on:** October 14, 2006, 02:16:31 AM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
Can you play Aces High II on a MAC?????? If not, then MAC sucks!!!!

I do.

Regards,

hap

Hap · « **Reply #38 on:** October 14, 2006, 02:19:21 AM »

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Originally posted by 2bighorn
Urban legend...

I have used both and must say that today, even after Apple finally figured out what to do with extra mouse buttons and scroll wheel, Mac has nothing over PC. Boot Camp may boost market share for short period until users figure out that Windows run on PCs as good as on Macs if not better.
Heck, in terms of OS Linux has bigger market share...

U.S. Mac Market Share
1Q 2005: 3.8%
1Q 2006: 3.6%

Worldwide Mac Market Share
1Q 2005: 2.2%
1Q 2006: 2.0%

I read on a Mac Owners site, Mac has a slightly larger market share in the computer world than Mercedes or BMW has in the auto world. Don't know if it's true. I read it just the other day.

hap

p.s. I really love my iMac. Runs AH wonderfully. I'm very happy. I bought it about a month ago. PC is in the closet.

Rolex · « **Reply #39 on:** October 14, 2006, 02:34:18 AM »

Well, there it is. The first Mac OSX virus. Thanks for the info.

Really runs great, Hap? No problems now?

Vulcan · « **Reply #40 on:** October 14, 2006, 03:27:44 PM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
I mistyped something (early morning...).

I meant to say: "There are many other clever touches to OSX and built in features and abilities that don't require you to buy or find 3rd party software."

Having a small market share is not a bad thing if you have one less item available than there is demand for.

If it's an urban legend, please set me straight. Can you point me to evidence of a factory configured Apple machine ever being compromised by a virus? Thanks.

Actually theres quite a few things you HAVE to buy third party, IPSEC VPN clients and a Novelll client just of the top of my head (being a networking guy).

OS X is just a pretty gui on top of BSD. Because Apple control the patch releases it tends to be somewhat behind in security and flaw patches compared to linux and other unix systems. Because of this it is more susceptible to attacks that have been fixed elsewhere. IIRC the Zone-h results for 2005 showed OS X had a higher proportion of attacks than OS X had market share.

Have a look here: http://www.zone-h.org/index.php?option=com_attacks&Itemid=43&filter=1

As for virus's and worm's, theres been those. Theres also been a lot of undocumented attacks which have not been in a 'attack-for-dummys' form like we see on PC's. These attacks have been used to comprimise Macs. See the recent wireless issues as a good example.

And last but not least, the built in browser blows chunks. If you think IE is bad, you ain't seen nothing til you seen Safari. Its not RFC compliant. I laugh when some mac user whines to me about a website not loading - and I tell them to try firefox and it works perfectly.

Nilsen · « **Reply #41 on:** October 14, 2006, 05:05:20 PM »

“Trojans, viruses, incompatibilities I feel. Something terrible has happened. Young Vulcan is in pain. Terrible pain”

Dinger · « **Reply #42 on:** October 14, 2006, 06:00:43 PM »

Hell, the first distro virus I ran into were on macs.

When Macs were compelled to go from the (absolutely excellent) Microsoft Word 5.1 to Word 6.0, a suite of Macro viruses fallowed. I ran into entire labs that were infected with mac word 6.0 viruses.
Right now, the Mac "no virus" thing is a lot of media hype: the viruses/worms out there for PCs right now serve a purpose: to create huge zombie botnets that can be involved in wholesale crime like Identity theft or DDoS extortion. Obviously, macs don't qualify for much interest there.

But, if you're talking targeted thievery, well, there's no reason for anyone to notice a machine's actually infected....

FiLtH · « **Reply #43 on:** October 15, 2006, 01:20:08 AM »

Instead of showing the square guy in a suit, they should have used a South Park WoW type.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 15, 2006, 02:38:05 AM »

I've been a PC user for the last few years, passing by mac's in places like Comp USA and other retail stores...thinking about what I've heard from other PC users, and from media. Thought about trying one, then passing it off as a random thought, and going on my way.

But then, I think about the problems I had on my first machine running Windows Me, And I wonder If Apple could have made as much a mess of things.

Now I hear Microsoft wants to release Vista, which has a built in function that shuts your computer down if it detects a "pirated" program. Sounds like Vista won't run at all, in that case.