mac v pc

[Debonair]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
HHAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR

lol

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Nilsen
“Trojans, viruses, incompatibilities I feel. Something terrible has happened. Young Vulcan is in pain. Terrible pain”

Honestly nilsen, 99.9% of Mac users haven't got a friggin clue. They're all 'Macs don't get virus's haha we' so superior'.

Last week one of our tard mac users complains to me hes being asked to authenticate to our firewall. He wasn't, it was our SSL-VPN over wireless. We use an open wireless network secured by SSL. So his mac had decided to attach itself to this network without asking. If had been a nasty person and put a web server up with nasty mac exploits he would've been screwed.

Mac users are fine as long as they're on someone elses network.

[Rolex]

You certainly don't want to get too close to them. You might catch some of that superio... oops, too late.

[lazs2]

Like I said... I don't know anything about macs or much about computers in general but..... I won't buy one at this point.

they sound ok but I don't need a dual boot or a computer that can imitate the one I am using now...  I don't know if the prices are coming down but I know there are hundreds of places I can buy a PC for cheap and people know how to fix em.

I am not for swimming against the stream at this point cause the PC works fine for me and there is less to think about..  I am probly the average computer owner.... not some graphics artist... you would think that graphic artists are half the planet the way mac touts their supperiority to these people.

I don't want to learn a new operating system.  I don't want to have to buy a certain type of hardware or software.  

lazs

[Debonair]

macs pwn
u pc guys r all teh old fat foureyed 'tards in poorly tailored cheap siuts

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Rolex
You certainly don't want to get too close to them. You might catch some of that superio... oops, too late.

As opposed to catching a decent dose of ignorance? Right rolex?

[Silat]

Originally posted by Rolex
You can play AH on an Intel Mac.

I tried a Mac in the 8.x days, but went back to a PC because of the apps I wanted to run. OSX has some nice features, so I have both now.

I don't have to be on only one side of the fence or the other, a la Mac vs. PC. I'm on both sides.

For me, the ability to switch languages of the OS almost instantly is one of those nice features that Windows can't do. There are many other clever touches to OSX and built in features and abilities that require you to buy or find 3rd party software. Video conferences using iChat and iSight camera seem like a generation leap above anything available for PC.

As far as security, well, I don't really care if it's from a smaller market or built into the OS architecture, the end result is that there has still, to this day, never been a virus or worm for Mac. That is probably the only absolute you can say. Any thing is all about user preferences.

Cost analysis of either cannot simply be made based on hardware, you have to consider the additional cost of PC software that is already included in OSX. You don't need to buy MS Office for a Mac. With OSX and todays Apple line-up, the analogy to buying a Mercedes or buying a Chevy is appropriate.

I wouldn't post my opinion about Macs if I didn't own one. Call me strange, but I also don't give an opinion about movies I haven't seen or books I haven't read...

HI bud:)
You are not correct. http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/macosxleap.html
If macs were as popular as Intel/ibm then they would be inundated with worms, trojans and virus................

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Debonair
macs pwn

Why? Because it comes with Starbucks E-coupons?

[Rolex]

Been doing some reading about this. I'm not an expert on computer security, or computers in general - it's not my line of work.

But, looks to me like there still hasn't been a virus for OSX. A virus is something that replicates and spreads from infected machines, correct? This was a proof-of-concept worm, as I understand it. The user was socially engineered to download the malformed image file via iChat and the file did nothing. It didn't delete files or do anything. The "infection" rate was listed in the range of "0-49." The vulnerability was patched.

I have no illusions that any system is impervious. However, the statistical chance of virus infection to a typical consumer OSX user remains at 0 today. Maybe that will change tomorrow.

Also, hacking the html of a website hosted on an OSX machine is not the same as OS.

It's still just an OS, not a social or political belief system that should cause someone to rise up in contempt for those who choose it.

[Chairboy]

All joking aside, out of the box security on OS X is dramatically better than any currently shipping incarnation of Windows.

Four letters:

SUDO

By default, root access is disabled for a user.  If you want to do something that requires higher access, you use sudo to create a 'security session' so that x can do y and whatnot.  You authenticate on a per-use basis instead of a per user basis.

Result?  People aren't browsing the web as administrators with with leaky Internet Explorer sessions begging malsites to use ActiveX to move in.

[2bighorn]

Yes Rolex, Mac security is 'security through obscurity' more than security by design although the base (unix) is better than windows for example.

15 years ago, Macs used to be way better than IBM compatibles. They had more power, superb GUI and set of powerful applications, reason why small businesses mainly publishing and print shops went with it.

Today, Mac has nothing over other platforms. The only thing that keeps Mac usage alive are all the little shops which won't or can't switch over ($$$), small group of fanatical yuppy followers, teen girls who exchanged barbie dolls for iMacs and small groups of people who fall for Apple superb marketing. More of a fashion statement than anything else.

Once Mac market share falls under critical percentage in small and mid size graphic shops (Windows is gaining there ever so slowly) and perhaps for that reason Adobe drops Mac support altogether, Mac will die.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Rolex
Been doing some reading about this. I'm not an expert on computer security, or computers in general - it's not my line of work.

But, looks to me like there still hasn't been a virus for OSX. A virus is something that replicates and spreads from infected machines, correct? This was a proof-of-concept worm, as I understand it. The user was socially engineered to download the malformed image file via iChat and the file did nothing. It didn't delete files or do anything. The "infection" rate was listed in the range of "0-49." The vulnerability was patched.

I have no illusions that any system is impervious. However, the statistical chance of virus infection to a typical consumer OSX user remains at 0 today. Maybe that will change tomorrow.

Also, hacking the html of a website hosted on an OSX machine is not the same as OS.

It's still just an OS, not a social or political belief system that should cause someone to rise up in contempt for those who choose it.

Once again you show signs of listening to Mac propaganda.

First, the most successful PC virus's have also required user interaction. The most prolific virus's out there right now as we speak are email borne virus's that require user interaction.

Second, the next range of virus's came via web sites or IM (usually redirecting to a website). Over the last year there has been a lot of exploits found in both OS X and Safari that could be used against a Mac user. Just like the recent wireless issues discovered.

If you read some security whitepapers, especially those that cover white/black hat conferences you soon see that its fairly easy to comprimise a consumer OS X system.

I've had first had experience with Mac's doing odd things, generating traffic they shouldn't be. Doing stuff that would indicate they've been comprimised *including sending non-user-generated outbound smtp traffic*  (oh look zombie-bot).

What is the users reaction? "Its a Mac we don't get virus's".

Thats why I have so much contempt for Mac's, their users are not only smug, but in general they're fairly ignorant on the subjects they're talking about.

Just recently I had another ***tard Mac user running Parallels on their system introduce a PC virus into our network. Luckily we have our network segmented with the Mac users in their own VLAN with IPS/GAV running over their traffic that goes into other parts of the network. Thus the virus was isolated to the ***tard segment.

[2bighorn]

Originally posted by Chairboy
Four letters:

SUDO

By default, root access is disabled for a user.  If you want to do something that requires higher access, you use sudo to create a 'security session' so that x can do y and whatnot.  You authenticate on a per-use basis instead of a per user basis.

Result?  People aren't browsing the web as administrators with with leaky Internet Explorer sessions begging malsites to use ActiveX to move in.

Yeah, and unless all your precious data is owned by root, your files can still get pwnd.

Or worse yet, security deamon vulnerability for example:

Impact: Malicious users may grant themselves rights to manipulate arbitrary files or perform other privileged actions.
Description: Authorization Services allows unprivileged users to grant certain rights that should be restricted to administrators, which may lead to privilege escalation. This update addresses the issue by adding restrictions to which rights unprivileged users can grant themselves.

And there are hunderds of examples.

The only thing which makes Mac relatively safe is rarity.

Same thing Linux fans were preaching long time ago, now, after thousands and thousands boxes got rooted, they're way more humble...

[MOIL]

Personally I like my Texas Insturments desktop calculator for all kinds of nifty things. I use a PC, but have nothing against the Mac or someone wanting to use one.

Should I buy a Ford or a Chevy?????   lemme see....................