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Offline Halo

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« on: October 12, 2006, 07:57:42 PM »
Shotgun versatility continues to amaze me, especially with some of the exotic ammo mentioned in some sources.  

Flame shooting shells (dragon's breath), shells that whistle and detonate with a big boom 50 yards out, and 1 3/4-inch 12-gauge shells for reduced recoil are some of the exotics highlighted in "Of Dragon's Breath and hammer-shells: from bizarre to basic ..." in Guns Magazine Sept 2004 by Holt Bodinson.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is12_50/ai_n6275741 - 24k -

(Sorry, this link is flaky but should get you close enough to find the article.)

The Minishell is easy to find at the Aguila website.  Apparently All Purpose Amino Co. mentioned in the article was bought by Atlas Ammo at http://www.atlasammo.com.

(Sorry again, I'm having no luck tonight with these links.  But if you type in the atlas address it should come right up on your browser; same for Guns Magazine reference, truncated as necessary.)  

Have any of you ever tried any exotic shells like these or similar?  After seeing the dragon's breath shell photo on Wikipedia, it's no wonder it apparently is banned in many localities.  

I wouldn't fire a dragon's breath if it was available, but the whistler that goes boom 50 yards away sounds like it might be a manageable supplement for the 4th of July in areas that allow citizen launched skyrockets.  

If you consider ordering any of these exotic shells, be sure to check first with your local enforcement authorities.  Some of these look borderline legal and all would require extraordinary precautions.  

The Minishell was developed for law enforcement with an interesting duplex load of seven No. 4 and four No. 1 buckshot.  Apparently it's also available to civilians, along with a birdshot load, but doesn't seem widely stocked yet.
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2006, 08:17:00 PM »
Here's what I found.

incendiary  

bird bomb

flame thrower  This is titanium sponge, when fired it shoots sparks over 100 feet with temperatures 3000+ degrees fahrenheit according to the website.  So it's more sparks then fire but whatever.  They also had pepper spray shells and flechette here
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 09:15:25 PM »
Thanks, Nirvana, excellent site.  I've been looking all over for low recoil 12-gauge No. 1 buckshot and finally found it there on Ammunition To Go.  

It also has the Aguila 12-gauge Minishell 1 3/4 inch buckshot with seven No. 4 and four No. 1 buckshot -- gotta try that.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 09:22:16 PM »
Anytime, shoot safe and have fun.  Let us know how it works if you buy some.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2006, 03:59:59 PM »
Ordered some Aguila Minishell and some Federal low recoil 00 today at the local firing range.  Should be in next week.  Will let you know how they feel and look on indoor targets.

The range guy said they had a case of Minishell a year or so ago, but we're slow selling because they don't work in autoloaders and are fickle about some pumps.  Should be no problem for my coach shotgun.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2006, 04:15:22 PM »
They got anything with a VT fuze? I'm thinking that would be just the trick for neighborhood pigeons.

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2006, 04:26:15 PM »
Check out the thread links.  There's some fuze stuff here and there.  But be sure to check your local ordnances before messing with any of the exotic shotgun shells.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2006, 05:27:26 PM »
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Originally posted by nirvana

bird bomb



We called these bear chasers in Alaska, sounds like a small mortor < foom.....Bam! >

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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2006, 06:37:22 PM »
Nirvana, the Aguila 1 3/4-inch Minishells are nice and small and have low recoil, but the tradeoff concern is I'm not sure how lethal they are.  Can't find any tests on the Internet, and the indoor firing range just gives paper target indications.

I bought the unusual duplex load of 11 buckshot pellets -- seven No. 4 and four No. 1.  That's an intriguing combination, but I need to apply it to some 3D targets at my son-in-law's farm to get a better understanding of what that load can do.  

In my Stoeger double barrel 12-gauge Coach shotgun, the Minishells shoot a wider pattern with fewer and smaller impacts than the No. 1 Buckshot that remains my preferred home defense load or 00 Buckshot.  

I had time only to fire two Minishells at 7 yards and two at 15 yards, and compare them to same number of Federal Power-Shok 00 (9 pellets) low recoil loads.  The 00 kicks more, fires tighter patterns, and is obviously more lethal.  

My double barrel has an Improved Cylinder choke on the right barrel, optimized at 30 yards, and a Modified choke on the left barrel, optimized at 35 yards.  

A full choke would tighten the pattern, but I prefer the IC and Mod chokes which seem to be a standard starting arrangement on many double barrels.  

At 7 yards, the Aguila Minishells had hit diameters of 9 inches and 7 inches; the Federal Power-Shok were 3 1/2 inches and 2 3/4 inches.  

At 15 yards, the Aguila Minishells were 12 1/2 inches (only 8 of the 11 pellets hit the 14x18-inch target) and 10 inches; the Federal Power-Shok were 6 1/2 inches and 9 inches.  

I'll fire more Minishells in the future, but after the quick look I don't see them replacing regular 2 3/4 shells for most people.  

The exception might be making a 12-gauge more usable to shooters who don't like the usual 2 3/4-inch shell recoil and blast.  And that's one of the main reasons Aguila invented the Minishell.  Different strokes (shells) for different folks.
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« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2006, 09:56:48 PM »
Thanks for the update, I suppose they could still be used for home defense, similar to shooting salt from a shotgun I suppose, really painful but not deadly.  If you want to knock someone down and keep them there, then the bigger loads for sure.  You didn't buy any of the other shells?;)
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2006, 11:47:30 PM »
I have a couple boxes of ScareAway bird shells. They are uber fun to play with. My personal fave is some snareshot shells I got at a gun show. 2 thin slugs tied together with 12 ft of piano wire. Illegal? Yes. Spiral sliced intruder? Yes, again.:aok
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2006, 09:06:02 PM »
(quote) You didn't buy any of the other shells? (unquote)

No, I was so intrigued by the duplex load of seven No. 4 and four No. 1 pellets that I passed up the birdshot and slug.  

Saw in some other posts Aguila evidently once offered a No. 1 load, but has only the three options now as far as I can tell.  

Main advantage in the Minishells seems to be offering wider spread at close distances which could be either good or bad, I guess.  

Next time I get out to the farm I'll try the load on some sort of penetration target, but I think we're unanimous in not expecting the Minishell to achieve anything like the 10- to 12-inch gel penetration generally regarded as necessary for the most effective home defense loads.
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