Author Topic: AMD K6-2 and UP (Read 635 times)

Tern · « **on:** February 10, 2000, 01:36:00 PM »

HT, PYRO, NATEDOG, et all... Any support for the AMD chipset coming? I am having major frame rate drops in the game. Hate to have to leave ecause I'm forced to use SHFT+F2 and no ground clutter to play at all.

Wife's about to shoot me with all my yelling at the screen as it starts chop-chop-chopping on me.

Running AMD K6-2-450 with 128 RAM and Black Magic (VooDoo1) vid w/16MB onboard. Frame Rates start at 11 and go to 18 with all features turned on at all resolutions. Get in a buff and they drop to like 6. Kill Ground Clutter and it goes to 13-20. Use SHFT-F2 and it leaps to a whopping 18-24.

Wahhhhh! I wanna FLY!

PS Can you do something about a player that disrupts me. He was "Frosty1" but changed to "TerneToo"
Was a major pain getting 6 calls from his side of the fence (Rooks) when I was clear for miles, or engaged with the Knits.

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O.E. 'Tern' Dillon
"Live to Fly! Fly to Fight! Fight to Live!"

Spatula · « **Reply #1 on:** February 14, 2000, 04:01:00 PM »

Hi Tern
I have an AMD K6-2/400
with 128 Meg RAM
and Viper 770 32 Meg
I run at 1024/768 * 32
I get from 18-35 FPS depending on whats around (clouds etc).
Voodoo 1 dont cut the mustard, i had a voodoo II for a while with the same set up and i got 14-22 FPS. SO i turned down to 800*600.
K6-2s Cache are really crap. Get a K6-3 and a better vid card - you'll notice a HUGE difference.

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Lephturn · « **Reply #2 on:** February 14, 2000, 06:11:00 PM »

It's not a question of "support" Tern. HTC just has to make sure AH runs in Win98, the "chipset" or CPU is not in their area.

You are experiencing low performance because the K6 has a crappy FPU, and nothing HTC could do would improve that. The Athlon chips do not have this problem, they have a very stront FPU, and will perform well.

Your CPU is just bad at FPU operations and hence, most flight sims. Again, there is nothing HTC can do to change that, so please don't bother asking them about it. They can better spend their time working on improvements to the game or adding the P47.

Can you say "upgrade"? I knew you could.

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Tern · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2000, 11:22:00 AM »

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Originally posted by Lephturn:
...You are experiencing low performance because the K6 has a crappy FPU, and nothing HTC could do would improve that...

Can you say "upgrade"? I knew you could.

The K6-2 has an excellent FPU according to documentation from several different sources. As for upgrade... this thing isn't a year old yet and I had to "give up" a lot of concessions to my wife just to get it. Now I gotta "UPGRADE"? Can we say, 'divorce'?

Now there's some folks out there that say only Diamond and Hercules cards will help the K6-2-450 as far as frame rates go. Can ANYONE RECOMEND THE BEST VID CARD FOR THE AMD K6-2-450 PLEASE?
This is extremely frustrating that along comes a WW2 flight sim I can afford and LIKE at the same time, only to be shunned because I have BrandX for a CPU. Celeron I could understand not performing, but I hear even those are getting better than 25FPS on the ground at highres.

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O.E. 'Tern' Dillon
"Live to Fly! Fly to Fight! Fight to Live!"

Dingy · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2000, 11:58:00 AM »

Actually the K6-2 has better FPU than the original K6 but was still VASTLY inferior to the Intels. K7 is where AMD finally made some strides in floating point performance.

Vermillion · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2000, 12:57:00 PM »

The processing core of the Celeron (clock speed vs clock speed) is the exact same as for the Pentium II's. The difference lies in the cache, and believe it or not "Marketing".

A Celeron running at 450 Mhz, will post almost identical benchmarks as a PII-450,in a game like AH.

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Lephturn · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2000, 01:07:00 PM »

Tern,

In comparison to every other processor on the market for a PC, the K6-2's FPU is the worst. That's a fact. Check out this old review at http://www7.tomshardware.com/cpu/98q2/980528/k6-2-06.html . That was a long time ago, the current Celeron's are even better than those older models benchmarked there.

My point was that there is nothing HTC can do to remedy that problem. Your CPU is holding you back, period. It's not a question of them "supporting" your chip, it's just slow for this type of operation.

Yep, I understand being in a tight situation money wise, and with the wife.

What sort of mainboard and video card do you have now? Maybe we can help you to find the cheapest upgrade that would give you the most improvement.

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[This message has been edited by Lephturn (edited 02-15-2000).]