Author Topic: Loosing Your mind...community and property, too...? (Read 2182 times)

Kev367th · « **Reply #15 on:** October 23, 2006, 05:36:53 PM »

What I don't like is trying to log into an arena that is below the cap and find myself dumped into another.

Just tried logging into LW1 - cap was 220, player numbers was 150, found myself unceremonioulsy and without any message dumped into LW2.
And of course just to rub it in LW2 had the map I hate the most - Lake Uterus.
Logged off.
But as long as I'm still paying my $15 what does it matter how much time I actually spend in-game.

Just how the hell are you meant to get a squad together under this new debacle?

Of course if the true reason for this is to get people so frustrated they log into either EW/MW (current number EW + MW = 50, LW1+2=300) then just say it.
Or should I say Orange arena etc (giggle).

macleod01 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 23, 2006, 05:53:10 PM »

I have accepted these changes, but Hitech, You have said that it is unhealthy with more than 300 people per arena. That is your number. But the Early war Arena is certainly NOT healthy with only about 10-20 people in it most times! How can this be healthy for the arena? Im not arguing for the old MA back, I would just like to know what the plans are for the future, especially for the EWA, which seems to be floundering.

SuperDud · « **Reply #17 on:** October 23, 2006, 06:22:11 PM »

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Originally posted by macleod01
I have accepted these changes, but Hitech, You have said that it is unhealthy with more than 300 people per arena. That is your number. But the Early war Arena is certainly NOT healthy with only about 10-20 people in it most times! How can this be healthy for the arena? Im not arguing for the old MA back, I would just like to know what the plans are for the future, especially for the EWA, which seems to be floundering.

I think the EWA is great.

mussie · « **Reply #18 on:** October 23, 2006, 06:23:57 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
A 1000 arenas of 300 people each

HT can ya imagine how many cheese and Cracker threads that will generate... Ya better start work on cloning Skuzzy right now......

Overlag · « **Reply #19 on:** October 23, 2006, 07:43:37 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
A 1000 arenas of 300 people each

how can we have a realistic WWII bomber raid with that?

Overlag · « **Reply #20 on:** October 23, 2006, 07:47:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
From Pyro's post on September 14, 2006

That was posted shortly after the initial changes to the arenas.

Both Pyro and HiTech have made many statements regarding all this.

i still do not understand how 700 people on a 512x512 map is worse than 300 people on a 256x256 map.

there is NO reasoning on the post you just quoted to WHY you need to cut the 700 player MA. Why wouldnt 2x700player MA's work?

you are creating more work for yourself because you have removed 2 or 3 VERY good large maps with this change... we've gone back to the rather poor (especially for GV's) maps, and STILL have the same amount of people per sector.

Overall nothing has changed except:

1: large bomber raids with escorts can no longer happen... this also removes the need for aint buff missions

2: now theres like 3 bases to fight over, instead of 100...

Overlag · « **Reply #21 on:** October 23, 2006, 07:53:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Roscoroo
the next question that needs to be considered .

Was the old MA correctly supporting 500 plus players ???

I myself was just getting a lousy FE when the numbers were that high ..rubber bullits , rear end collisions from guys all the time and they fly off unscathed , unbelieviable warpage , high disco rate ... the list goes on ..

with the under 500 arena I dont get any of that stuff . Play is good .

i dunno, the collisions im seeing MY end has almost quadrupled.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #22 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:11:24 PM »

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Originally posted by moneyguy
how about just get over yourself and play the game or quit, and stop the whining, crying, HT screwed me threads

Amen!

Simaril · « **Reply #23 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:12:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Overlag
i still do not understand how 700 people on a 512x512 map is worse than 300 people on a 256x256 map.

there is NO reasoning on the post you just quoted to WHY you need to cut the 700 player MA. Why wouldnt 2x700player MA's work?

Wrong.

To quote Pyro:

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This is going to fracture the community.

We disagree. Communities grow and healthy growth requires structure. Just packing in as many people as possible creates a slum, not a community. We now have multiple neighborhoods in our community, but they are all connected.

The issue is not field density, its not plane density. Its community SIZE, not density.

My graduating class had 72 people in it, and my entire high school had about 300. I KNEW everyone who went there. Now, if we multiplied that by 4 -- and put 1200 kids in a school that was 4 times as big, would I still know them all? OF COURSE NOT.

You cant know a group of 250-300 regulars the same way you would a group of 700. Banter will be lost in the text scroll; even worse, the few jerks around would fill the buffer with what amounts to community poison. Look at the posts new guys have made -- how the small arenas have helped them connect to others and learn the game better.

Even though you liked the huge numbers, there are obviously manyothers who did not. The NET EFFECT has been an increase in logged on players, according to HT's postings last week.

How much will it take for you to stop ranting and just adapt to the new reality?

scottydawg · « **Reply #24 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:22:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
Wrong.

To quote Pyro:

The issue is not field density, its not plane density. Its community SIZE, not density.

My graduating class had 72 people in it, and my entire high school had about 300. I KNEW everyone who went there. Now, if we multiplied that by 4 -- and put 1200 kids in a school that was 4 times as big, would I still know them all? OF COURSE NOT.

You cant know a group of 250-300 regulars the same way you would a group of 700. Banter will be lost in the text scroll; even worse, the few jerks around would fill the buffer with what amounts to community poison. Look at the posts new guys have made -- how the small arenas have helped them connect to others and learn the game better.

Even though you liked the huge numbers, there are obviously manyothers who did not. The NET EFFECT has been an increase in logged on players, according to HT's postings last week.

How much will it take for you to stop ranting and just adapt to the new reality?

Sim, the ones that don't get it will NEVER get it. Let's go fly.

JimJones · « **Reply #25 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:35:06 PM »

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Originally posted by moneyguy
how about just get over yourself and play the game or quit, and stop the whining, crying, HT screwed me threads

How bout you let people voice their opinions

Overlag · « **Reply #26 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:45:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
Wrong.

To quote Pyro:

The issue is not field density, its not plane density. Its community SIZE, not density.

My graduating class had 72 people in it, and my entire high school had about 300. I KNEW everyone who went there. Now, if we multiplied that by 4 -- and put 1200 kids in a school that was 4 times as big, would I still know them all? OF COURSE NOT.

You cant know a group of 250-300 regulars the same way you would a group of 700. Banter will be lost in the text scroll; even worse, the few jerks around would fill the buffer with what amounts to community poison. Look at the posts new guys have made -- how the small arenas have helped them connect to others and learn the game better.

Even though you liked the huge numbers, there are obviously manyothers who did not. The NET EFFECT has been an increase in logged on players, according to HT's postings last week.

How much will it take for you to stop ranting and just adapt to the new reality?

thing is, if i wanted to join a dating agent i would.....i was here to fight a "war" and have fun, not to get to know 300 people. i know a few people i can fly with, and help... thats enough for me

JimJones · « **Reply #27 on:** October 23, 2006, 08:45:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Simaril
Wrong.

My graduating class had 72 people in it, and my entire high school had about 300. I KNEW everyone who went there. Now, if we multiplied that by 4 -- and put 1200 kids in a school that was 4 times as big, would I still know them all? OF COURSE NOT.

You cant know a group of 250-300 regulars the same way you would a group of 700. Banter will be lost in the text scroll; even worse, the few jerks around would fill the buffer with what amounts to community poison. Look at the posts new guys have made -- how the small arenas have helped them connect to others and learn the game better.

Even though you liked the huge numbers, there are obviously manyothers who did not. The NET EFFECT has been an increase in logged on players, according to HT's postings last week.

No offense but I dont care to know everyone in the arena... what I care about is diversity of play.

Plus your logic is flawed. If HT implements 10 x 300 arenas (i.e. 3000 pilots) you still have a total population that you will never know.

I know it is an exaggeration but who wants to surf 1000 (even 10) arenas to find squad mates, or game play type (i.e. gv battles vs. furballs)

Maybe HT should implement a "gamespy" type browser to find your squad, friends, etc...

palef · « **Reply #28 on:** October 23, 2006, 09:15:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
From Pyro's post on September 14, 2006

That was posted shortly after the initial changes to the arenas.

Both Pyro and HiTech have made many statements regarding all this.

And none of them make any sense. It's REALLY hard to locate squaddies and on weekends when there is potential to fly with them and they head for LW, it is impossible to hook up if they land in LW1 and it is near the cap.

Being in the GMT +12 time zone means the "experience" is now somewhat substandard.

I can play with my 5 friends in EW, say hi to 20 in MW, or get vulched repeatedly on the low numbers side by Spit 16s and La7s in LW.

I DON'T want to ditch AH, but like the guy who started this thread I still don't get it? The game has gotten significantly worse for a small but loyal minority.

EW is superb with 50 people in it. I'm lucky if we get that once a week around the times I can play.

moneyguy · « **Reply #29 on:** October 23, 2006, 10:09:58 PM »

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Originally posted by JimJones
How bout you let people voice their opinions

because its been the same people saying the same thing since the change. they need to either play the game or quit and make room for people who want to.