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Offline macleod01

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« on: October 29, 2006, 05:11:01 PM »
Almost finished. Just a few wee additions and anything the skinning team can come up with. A few screenies

Dissect please!
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« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2006, 05:44:19 PM »
Looks like you made it 256x256 or 512x512

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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2006, 05:53:38 PM »
yeah mac, you need to increase the resolution of the skin, AND your ingame res. you need to DL the hi-res texture pack. making a good skin usually requires a fairly high end PC :(

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« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2006, 06:31:05 PM »
ok, so put bluntly, its crap
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2006, 06:57:55 PM »
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ok, so put bluntly, its crap


Nope your on right track just when you make skins do this put texture on 1024 install highres pack go offline save default skin.

Then make template.

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2006, 07:02:58 PM »
Aside from the comments already mentioned: It's far far too bright. This is a color-choice comment. You've given it a yellow color, when it would really have a "sandgelb" (sand yellow, or more of a tan) color.

See here for one example

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2006, 07:45:01 PM »
Krusty, I took a smaple of the colour from the photo I had. SO it is the correct shade
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2006, 08:06:55 PM »
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Krusty, I took a smaple of the colour from the photo I had. SO it is the correct shade


Thats an artist drawing colors are off on those.


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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2006, 10:59:53 AM »
Chimp, I personally don't trust your colors :)

Macleod, if you're using a color profile, that was just one person painting something. They could be off. Also I've seen multiples of the same profile re-saved with different settings that color-shifted the results.

If you're talking about a color WW2 photo then you have to beware as well. The color photos back then were going through a lot of changes in regard to how they processed and how they created the film and paper. They bleed out and get fuzzy around certain colors. Some colors don't show up properly, and over time you can get funky results.

Trust me when I say you want to look for the proper color that was known to be used, rather than just use an eyedropper on an existing source.

If you are using eyedroppers to sample sources, get a lot more than 1 source, so you have a good sampling of the stuff out there.

However don't be too alarmed when folks come in and say "The color's off, doesn't look right". That's a common response with these folks. Most of them know their stuff, when it comes to colors. I, personally, happen to know the proper color for your skin because I was planning on doing it at one time.

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2006, 12:19:45 PM »
ok, thanks Krusty. So i should completly redo the skin? Or should I just quit skinning, caus every skin I do seems to be full of complaints
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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2006, 12:50:57 PM »
A complaint might be "Oh, I HATE what you've done with the feathering on the camoflague!". You have to consider these as feedback. A lot of it is very important, especially for beginning skinners.

There are certain qualities that are important to a skin. For example it won't be accepted if it's not 1024x1024 from the get-go. Think of this forum as a peer review. We're all seeing blotchy/blurry details on the screenshots. Now that *could* be just that your in-game resolution is set very low, or it could be that the skin was made too small and is being scaled up in-game. That's an important detail.

Another issue that nobody has mentioned, because this is the first post and we all take it as a work in progress, is the weathering and wear/tear of the skin. I'll just point it out for an example. My first 109E and 110C for BOB'04 didn't make it in time for the scenario because I thought I liked them clean. I got a rejection notice for both because they were too clean. In fact they had nothing but solid colors and panel lines (and a few smoke streaks). I quickly came to appreciate subtle shades in the areas of solid paint, the breaking up of the monotonous solid colors with worn paint and what-not. Your Ju88s, for example, aren't ready to submit because the color, because the texture size, and because the lack of "weathering".

Please don't consider these complaints, rather observations. We've all been through that phase. Over time you get a feel for things, but at first you're going to need other folks to point things out to you. We all want the best quality of submissions for HTC to review, and we're generally a friendly lot. We'll try our best to help you along. That's what these forums are for!

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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2006, 02:08:46 PM »
Ok, Skinning team, Can you help me make this skin better? Do you thiunk it has potential for the game?
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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2006, 02:48:23 PM »
It would help to see a picture or something of the actual aircraft, also what unit is it and where did it serve.

I have seen 110s that were yellow, so it is obviously possible that Ju88s based in the Med were that color as well, but more information would help.

The big problem as Krusty pointed out is the 512x512 aspect that you worked on.  Reading the forum especially Fester's guide will be alot of help.

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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2006, 08:21:14 PM »
Fencer: There were no yellow 110s. That's a fact. They were all sandgelb, if anything at all. The problem is the color photos often color shift or bleed out. You need to be able to interpret the photos, even if they're in color. The color photography at the time was still relatively new and there were problems with bleeding, with the images burning after they were developed, and a lot of other issues.

Sandgelb Ju88s were common, though, Fencer. They were that color in Africa and the Med earlier in the war.

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2006, 06:54:16 PM »
Thanks Krusty, will buck down and do the skin again Sandgelb colour. The information did say that it was the colour after helping the Afrikakorps. Thanks again
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