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Offline richard_rd

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« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2006, 10:01:53 AM »
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The pblm is our squad members mostly play during non prime time hours like midnight to 6AM EST, even though most of us live in the good ol USA. Like all the european squads have been complaining about there are just not enough members online at that time to have people split between 4 arena's. When there are only 60 to 120 total players logged into the arenas the game suffers if 10 players are in EW, 12 in MW, 40 in LW1, 23 in LW2.

So let me see if I understand this ...

During those hours, the problem has nothing to do with the arena caps ... It all has to do with all the other people playing in other arenas, enjoying themselves, and they are not not forced to play in an arena with you. So you want to force people to play with you so that you can enjoy yourself and screw what they enjoy.

Wow ... talk about selfish.

Did ya ever think that those who are flying in EW and MW don't want to have anything to do with LW and throughly enjoy playing and fighting with the plane sets offered in those arenas ?

I really don't need an answer to that question ... I already know the answer.



RANT ON!!!!!!!!!!

   LOL Slapshot, you are not to good at comprehension, or you don't finish reading a thread before you post your canned replies do you!!!!!   I said I did not care wich arena is active after hours, I have no problem with the plane sets offered in the EW and MW arena's, heck i actually prefer the AA setup with just 2 sides and a more restricted plane set offering as long as it rotated and would not just use the same 5 planes per side for more then a week straight.  

The pblm is not the plane sets, the pblm is that during non prime time there is not enough people playing in any one arena to make it fun for land grabers. The only people having fun are the milk runners padding their scores.

 I don't even think the furballers are having fun during this time because the numbers are so low they probably can't find fights quick enough.  I have nothing against furballers either, they are 50% of the community. I even spent most of my time on Furball Island on the old large donut map because that was insane furball action and was fun because you would be in fierce combat 30 seconds after liftoff!!!

The Arena's during non prime time are just becoming a Milk Runners paradise, and nothing more!!!  It is very sad!!!!!   :(  :(  :(

When there are 9 players in the EW or MW during non prime time that is 3 per side, they are not furballing as you probably suspect from your smart prettythang reply, they are Milk Running padding their scores and capturing undefended bases.

  RANT OFF!!!!!
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2006, 10:14:48 AM »
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RANT ON!!!!!!!!!!

   LOL Slapshot, you are not to good at comprehension, or you don't finish reading a thread before you post your canned replies do you!!!!!   I said I did not care wich arena is active after hours, I have no problem with the plane sets offered in the EW and MW arena's, heck i actually prefer the AA setup with just 2 sides and a more restricted plane set offering as long as it rotated and would not just use the same 5 planes per side for more then a week straight.  

The pblm is not the plane sets, the pblm is that during non prime time there is not enough people playing in any one arena to make it fun for land grabers. The only people having fun are the milk runners padding their scores.

 I don't even think the furballers are having fun during this time because the numbers are so low they probably can't find fights quick enough.  I have nothing against furballers either, they are 50% of the community. I even spent most of my time on Furball Island on the old large donut map because that was insane furball action and was fun because you would be in fierce combat 30 seconds after liftoff!!!

The Arena's during non prime time are just becoming a Milk Runners paradise, and nothing more!!!  It is very sad!!!!!   :(  :(  :(

When there are 9 players in the EW or MW during non prime time that is 3 per side, they are not furballing as you probably suspect from your smart prettythang reply, they are Milk Running.  

  RANT OFF!!!!!


I read every bit of your post and I believe that I comprehended perfectly and there is nothing canned about my responses ... no more or less than yours.

During off hours you want just 1 arena and the heck with what everyone else might want ... as long as it suits you. You don't care what arena is active, EW, MW, or LW ... just as long as there is just one arena available.

While you don't care what the plane sets are ... you might just wonder if the others do care. There are some that are ecstatic about the EW plane set and don't ever care to fly Late War monsters ... so what do you do ... push them to an arena that they don't want to fly in ... so you could have fun ?

Think about ... if people ARE in those other arenas then THEY chose to go to those arenas and it doesn't matter what their reasons are for wanting to fly in those arenas.

If they were as bored as you might think and felt the same as you, don't you think that they would all migrate to just one arena so ya'all can play together ?
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2006, 12:26:40 PM »
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I read every bit of your post and I believe that I comprehended perfectly and there is nothing canned about my responses ... no more or less than yours.

During off hours you want just 1 arena and the heck with what everyone else might want ... as long as it suits you. You don't care what arena is active, EW, MW, or LW ... just as long as there is just one arena available.

While you don't care what the plane sets are ... you might just wonder if the others do care. There are some that are ecstatic about the EW plane set and don't ever care to fly Late War monsters ... so what do you do ... push them to an arena that they don't want to fly in ... so you could have fun ?

Think about ... if people ARE in those other arenas then THEY chose to go to those arenas and it doesn't matter what their reasons are for wanting to fly in those arenas.

If they were as bored as you might think and felt the same as you, don't you think that they would all migrate to just one arena so ya'all can play together ?



LOL, you guys just don't get it!!!!!    I wish Hitech would take this to the ultimate extreem in arenas and offer 25 differant arena's, so that during prime time the avearge in each of the 25 arena's would be 10-20 players max, then maybe you thick headed idiots that mostly fly when the player base is large enough to support 4 arena's would start to see what the real issues are afterhours!!!

2-10 players per arena does not make for fun, mise well save my 15 bucks and fly in 8 player free arena's

10-20 players per arena is still very painfull unless you are just looking to furball or milkrun

20-30 players in a single arena still makes the land capture game boring as hell.

40-60 per arena is the bare minimum to make the land capture game interesting because remember half these players are still only furballing or milk running.

60-80 players per arena is playyable for land capture types, but still a little low

You really need at minimum 80 players or more in the same arena to make land capture type play truely enjoyable (again remember half these players are still furballing/milk running).  During non prime time this is now an imposability to get 80 players in the same arena so you are leaving 50% ( the half that really enjoy the stategic land grab win the war type) of the player base bored as hell if they can only mostly play after hours.

  If there were only 1 arena after hours everyone could have fun.  The furballers  could still furball (After hours there are not massive numbers of ubber palnes, even in the LW arena the planes in the air seem to be more evenly distributed for some reason, probably becuase of European players are flying more Axis stuff during these hours).

The milk runners could still milk run, but would just have a little harder time padding their scores.  

Set it up so the arena type (EW/MW/LW)  rotates weekly or after a map reset (war win).  LW still seems more popular even after hours so make the rotation favor that  ( ie...  LW then EW then LW then MW). Their would be the added benefit that if the current after hour arena type was not currently your favorite type then acheiving the goal of winning the war would have the added benfit of changing the arena type to one you may prefer better.

If HiTech keeps the Non Prime Time Arena's set up like it is currently, and the number of players don't start to grow enough to truely support multiple arenas ( ie... at least 60 plus players in an arena) then i feel that they will start loosing the strategic land grab type of player that can only play during these hours.  Maybe that is only 10-15% of the current overall player base, I don't know, but a 15% loss in revenue hurts most companies.  

After 3 yeras of loving this game I am very close to quitting, probably the only think stopping me is the hope that TOD (if it is ever released within our life times) may bring the fun back to the strtegic land grab war win type of player. I will probably only stick it out for 3 more months though to find out, because the fun and love of this game is dwindeling more and more.

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« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2006, 12:43:14 PM »
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Two weeks ago I noticed that at least 75% of the time, the Knight/Bish front is nonexistent.   I'm sorry to burst your hijack statement but, you are wrong.   All you need to do is see what fields are changing hands.   Again, 75% they are Rooks taking or losing Bish/Knight bases.   Bish and Knights will "grab a base or two" to keep it honest.    

I'm not making this up, lying, dreaming, etc.   I took two weeks off because I was sick of it.   You get worn out shooting down Bish/Knights that will in turn, come in here after participating in the above.   Come in here and whine about being "oppressed" and the "Evil Rook Allegience" has numerical superiority.  

What some fail to understand or just choose to ignore is the following:

Rooks: 70
Bish:  50
Knights: 40

It's often 70 Rooks against at least 70 combined.    This has been a trend for over 7 months now.



oppressed???    evil rook allegience????    lmfao!!!!!    i guess i was too busy gettin shot down to read that anywhere!!!  lol



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« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2006, 01:03:45 PM »
Makes you wonder huh.

Few nights ago both LW arenas had the poor Bish defending against two haords of Knits and Rooks.
Same thing as you said, but nothing going on on the Knit/Rook front this time, for the 3+ hours I was on anyway.

Numbers were within 10 of each other between the 3 countries, but it was basically a 2 v 1 due to the inactivity between the Rooks and Knits.

Yes I know it works the other way also, inactivtivty on Knit/Bish or Rook/Bish fronts.

Point is - Equal numbers doesn't mean diddly squat under these circumstances

Question is - Whats HT's magic cure for this then?

Of course this happened before the changes also, but the numbers tended to favor the defending side unless a reset was close.
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2006, 01:22:23 PM »
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LOL, you guys just don't get it!!!!!  blah blah blah ...


Oh ... but we do get it ... the people who are populating the arenas that they choose to fly in aren't playing with you or the way you would like them to play so you are having a hissy fit.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2006, 02:54:10 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2006, 02:58:58 PM »
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Oh ... but we do get it ... the people who are populating the arenas that they choose to fly in aren't playing with you or the way you would like them to play so you are having a hissy fit.


Whats with this attitude?  The guys are making a point, some ppl are onboard, and you and some others in this thread are trying wholeheartedly to reduce their points for what reason?  Because you want to be a better internet arguer?  I dont get why you smash ppl's thought about the play of the game when they are a paying customer too.

People play the game for various reasons...theirs is a reason, and thus, it is valid.  If you dont agree with it, provide a constructive counter point instead of acting like everyone except ppl inline with your thinkings are whiners and incompetent.

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2006, 02:59:48 PM »
I agree with you Twitchy and Zwerg . I would rather see more planes and more interesting maps , than see the LW server split.

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2006, 03:03:18 PM »
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the people who are populating the arenas that they choose to fly in aren't playing with you or the way you would like them to play so you are having a hissy fit.


Gee, that sounds like a couple people I know:D
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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2006, 03:30:27 PM »
SEA still has 500 players caps, and "Europe" maps are built already
 I would like to see a massive more realistic AvA war for us, toolsheders, containing west/east front in SEA, 1945, bombing campaigns, going on like MA, until one team lose the war,



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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2006, 03:36:06 PM »
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Whats with this attitude?  The guys are making a point, some ppl are onboard, and you and some others in this thread are trying wholeheartedly to reduce their points for what reason?  Because you want to be a better internet arguer?  I dont get why you smash ppl's thought about the play of the game when they are a paying customer too.

People play the game for various reasons...theirs is a reason, and thus, it is valid.  If you dont agree with it, provide a constructive counter point instead of acting like everyone except ppl inline with your thinkings are whiners and incompetent.


Please ... It's not an attitude ... It's simply a counter-point to his point. It's you that walked in on the thread with the "big brother attitude".

If he or anyone else is going to make a "point" in a public forum (especially this forum), not expecting the possibility of someone disagreeing with them, and post with such expectations ... then they shouldn't post in the first place.

I didn't like the underlying foundation of his post(s) and posted as such ... simple as that.
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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2006, 03:37:02 PM »
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Gee, that sounds like a couple people I know:D


Ya think ...  ;)
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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2006, 04:59:22 PM »
Thats a great idea Ghi , I would like to also like to  see only two sides instead of three.

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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2006, 05:12:50 PM »
I would probably refrain from pointing out  how bad it is to Skuzzy et al on here, doesn't matter how you post or what you post, the vocal minority will come on here and swoop down upon you while their fingers are going like crazy on the keyboard  to tell you the  same tiring/immature stuff:
1. If you don't like it move on.
2. It's HTC's game to do with as they want
3. give it a chance, it will get better
4. Any other sarcastic flame they can think of in the hopes of producing a laugh and gaining some 'cyber cred " and looking cool to the masses.
Just send an email or something, that way you deny them the oxygen of attention.
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