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Offline Skuzzy

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« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2006, 04:26:32 PM »
Accountability, in politics, does not exist here Ghostft.
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« Reply #31 on: November 08, 2006, 04:35:36 PM »
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Kind of like the impeached Judge that will become chairman of the intel. committee.
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« Reply #32 on: November 08, 2006, 04:40:07 PM »
Get ready, they've given the Democrats their first scalp. The Democrats will NOT be satisfied. Not even close. The first mistake is GIVING them their first scalp. It's like tossing a member of your group to the sharks and hoping they'll eat him and let you go. Don't bet on it.
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« Reply #33 on: November 08, 2006, 04:44:06 PM »
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Accountability, in politics, does not exist here Ghostft.


Tis a shame.  No matter what color their party is, the only goal seems to put their own interests and spending habits ahead of the US public.

Wish Federalism hadn't gone out of style.  Be nice if Big Pork was starved by only receiving...mmm...maybe 10% of each state's total budget.
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« Reply #34 on: November 08, 2006, 04:49:40 PM »
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Get ready, they've given the Democrats their first scalp. The Democrats will NOT be satisfied. Not even close. The first mistake is GIVING them their first scalp. It's like tossing a member of your group to the sharks and hoping they'll eat him and let you go. Don't bet on it.


So do you think Rumsfeld should keep running the US military + Iraq war the way he has been?  I guess the Military Times is just another liberal media outlet...

(P.S. I'm not a democrat)
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« Reply #35 on: November 08, 2006, 04:52:49 PM »
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So do you think Rumsfeld should keep running the US military + Iraq war the way he has been?  I guess the Military Times is just another liberal media outlet...

(P.S. I'm not a democrat)


Dont you know its the dems fault, or Clintons fault or gay marriage is the fault.
Even with the reps in complete control the dems have been blamed. Sad really..
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« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2006, 04:59:54 PM »
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So do you think Rumsfeld should keep running the US military + Iraq war the way he has been?  I guess the Military Times is just another liberal media outlet...

(P.S. I'm not a democrat)


The Military Times IS NOT a real military publication. It isn't even well liked in the military, they pretty much call it the National Enquirer of military news. Just so you know.......

Do you not understand that the Secretary of Defense is for the most part the guy who dictates the President's policy to the Pentagon?

And no, actually I think the President should listen to Rumsfeld for a change. I seriously doubt it was Rumsfeld who DIDN'T want to send the right people in and take care of al Sadr.
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« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2006, 05:00:52 PM »
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Tis a shame.  No matter what color their party is, the only goal seems to put their own interests and spending habits ahead of the US public.

'cept for the Libertarian Party, of course...  :)  

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Wish Federalism hadn't gone out of style.  Be nice if Big Pork was starved by only receiving...mmm...maybe 10% of each state's total budget. [/B]

again, gotta plug the LP.  Reducing the size/budget of the fedgov is and has been a core item on the LP's agenda.
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« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2006, 05:04:35 PM »
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the Iraq war is his baby, now he leaves this mess
behind and let other sort it out, way to easy if you ask me.


don't worry, the dems have stepped in to make sure it ends as Vietnam II ...

what's sad is America showing her true color last night ... yellow
do you think the terrorists did not celebrate THEIR victory last night?
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« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2006, 05:14:08 PM »
the dems may have shot themselves in the foot on this one, they have made Iraq the issue, now they have control of congress and everything that happens in Iraq for the next two years will be on their record and they will have to answer for it in 08.

of course the demos have absolutely no plan for Iraq except to say they are not boosh.

mao tse tung called the USA a paper tiger, he was right.
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« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2006, 05:45:16 PM »
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The Military Times IS NOT a real military publication. It isn't even well liked in the military, they pretty much call it the National Enquirer of military news. Just so you know.......

Do you not understand that the Secretary of Defense is for the most part the guy who dictates the President's policy to the Pentagon?

And no, actually I think the President should listen to Rumsfeld for a change. I seriously doubt it was Rumsfeld who DIDN'T want to send the right people in and take care of al Sadr.


I understand that the Military Times is not a real military publication.  But it is not exactly "liberal media" as is the usual label on any publication who critiques our Iraq policy.

I do not understand that the Secretary of Defense is for the most part the guy who dictates the President's policy to the Pentagon.  If this were trully the case, a robot could do the job.  I hardly think Bush simply uses Rummy as a pageboy.

I think Rumsfeld should have listened to the military.  The rumblings have been going on for years.  But this is material for another post.

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Now in all seriousness, I have to ask you:  Do you think Rumsfeld or Bush or whoever decided on policy in Iraq did not severely underestimate the task at hand?  Put aside the usual party rhetoric/lines and consider the simple question.  I am not being a smartarse.  I am not trying to get personal.

Going further:  If you were Bush and Rumsfeld, what would your plan be for Iraq?  How long should we stay there?  Are you prepared for 10 years?  Can you prepare America (both public opinion, but more importantly economically) for a war that could last 10 years?  

What I find absolutely amazing, is that ANY critique of Iraq policy, is instantly labeled "liberal, anti-American, or unpatriotic".  I do not consider myself any of those.  I think Saddam was/is an idiot, he deserves to die, Iraq (in theory) would be better without him.  However, I think that the current Administration has completely bungled the war.

And let me give my "full disclosure" statement:  I am not Dem, I used to identify with the Reps.  Currently, all I can say is that I like fiscally conservative candidates and I strongly support our military.  I come from a military family which has served our country in Army and Navy for 4 generations.  I absolutely feel for the families of servicemen and women who are serving and have given their lives.
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« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2006, 05:51:20 PM »
Go and look at what the people in the military say about the "Times".

The President picks people for his cabinet to carry out his policy. That's just how it works. They may handle the details, but he dictates the policy. The exception to that rule is the State Department, which has a life of its own.

I don't think they underestimated anything. I think they fail to understand how to deal with it. At least Rumsfeld was smart enough to know how to free up the military to have some chance of dealing with an assymetrical war. I think the new group they have reworking policy will screw the pooch in a major way.
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2006, 06:18:39 PM »
"Weeks not months, months not years."  Rumsfeld seriously underestimated this war - along with others - after being told by his own commanders what it would take.  Who cashiered Shinsecki right after he testified we needed 240,000 troops to invade AND control?  Rumsfeld ignored his military commanders, and the whole bunch refused to entertain any intelligence contrary to their preexisting beliefs fed by Chalabi.  They diverted resources from Afghanistan to invade Iraq and now the Taliban is making a resurgence - remember them?  They actually did harbor terrorists who attacked us.
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« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2006, 06:24:11 PM »
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The President picks people for his cabinet to carry out his policy. That's just how it works. They may handle the details, but he dictates the policy.


If this is the case, I am truly scared.  I did not understand that policy was set by one man and carried out by "yes-men".  But then again, he did feel called by God to the presidency.  So maybe he does have help in setting policy. :D

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I don't think they underestimated anything. I think they fail to understand how to deal with it. At least Rumsfeld was smart enough to know how to free up the military to have some chance of dealing with an assymetrical war. I think the new group they have reworking policy will screw the pooch in a major way.


Fair enough.  Either in underestimating or in dealing with it.

And let me say, in all fairness, the Afghan conflict was nearly perfectly executed.  We had international support.  We made proper use of local forces.  We did however fail to catch OBL, but otherwise were successful.  Bush deserves maximum credit for getting Rumsfeld to enact his policy here.

We should have finished this job 100% before starting on a new task.  Probably should have moved Afghanistan--->Iran--->Iraq--->Syria instead of jumping straight to Iraq.
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« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2006, 06:30:52 PM »
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The President picks people for his cabinet to carry out his policy. That's just how it works.



Unless a group of people decide they want to run someone for President so he can carry out their policies.
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