Author Topic: Nice!! good for you Barrett (Read 1270 times)

Charon · « **Reply #15 on:** November 16, 2006, 10:11:12 AM »

Well Lasersailor, that's easy to say when you don't live somewhere where there is a need to "fight them." Life must be good from the sidelines -- I can only imagine. I have been fighting "them" for quite some time now. At least a dozen letters to the editor, numerous calls to state and federal legislators, donations to the almost useless ISRA, membership in the NRA, voting for the best 2nd Amendment choices on the ballot...

Without any factual coverage in the major media there's not much you can do in Cook County. Only one side is allowed to present information to the people. Factual inaccuracies are a regular part of the coverage, with no challenge. basic questions like "how many murders are actually committed by "assault weapons" go completely unasked. Letters to the editor that point this out go unpublished. The referendum I posted passed by 86 percent -- just how, exactly, should I fight that without a fair treatment from the mass media? IT"S FOR THE SAFETY OF THE ****ING CHILDERN AFTER ALL... And, Daley is serious. He tried to put the entire firearm industry out of business with his sue the gun manufacturers push a few years back. So, Cook County is lost short of seeing Daley indicted for his patronage practices (which is a real hope). Moving out of Cook County is a no brainer when the time is ripe. It's hopeless, and when you consider all of the tax dollars helping pay for Chicago's waste and graft then it's even more of a no brainer.

At the state level... Things are not quite as bad though having Gov. Hoowdy Doody in office makes it much harder. And, Daley has been using his influence manpower to influence elections outside of Chicago and Cook county to get his kind of Democrats in power. A state-wide AWB is a tougher nut and as I have at numerous times in the past, I will actively work to resist this. Should the Ban pass, then IL is not a state that represents my view of America and if I can, I'll leave. That simple.

Charon

lazs2 · « **Reply #16 on:** November 16, 2006, 10:11:46 AM »

charon... sadly, that is about all we can do is move to a state that is less restrictive of our freedoms. I will move out of kalifornia in a few years.

The ideal solution to the rural/city red/blue split is to have some states suceed from the union. Those states could attract people based on their government or.... lack thereof.

It is just too complex... it is impossible for the loafer wearing sardine people of the blue areas to make laws that are palatable for those of the red areas.

lazs

VOR · « **Reply #17 on:** November 16, 2006, 11:16:04 AM »

No Charon, he doesn't mean fight them thru the system. He wants you to start teh revolution.

Tell ya what laser, martyr yourself to the cause and we'll be right behind you.

sluggish · « **Reply #18 on:** November 16, 2006, 11:39:02 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

The ideal solution to the rural/city red/blue split is to have some states suceed from the union. Those states could attract people based on their government or.... lack thereof.

It is just too complex... it is impossible for the loafer wearing sardine people of the blue areas to make laws that are palatable for those of the red areas.

lazs

The problem is that the liberals own the coasts and therefore the ports. A landlocked Conservative States of America would still be at the mercy of the United Republic of Socialist States . There is no way to achieve your vision without bloodshed...

(tongue in cheek)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 16, 2006, 11:51:13 AM »

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Well Lasersailor, that's easy to say when you don't live somewhere where there is a need to "fight them." Life must be good from the sidelines -- I can only imagine. I have been fighting "them" for quite some time now. At least a dozen letters to the editor, numerous calls to state and federal legislators, donations to the almost useless ISRA, membership in the NRA, voting for the best 2nd Amendment choices on the ballot...

While I do agree, I believe that you are forgetting what "Fight" actually means.

VOR · « **Reply #20 on:** November 16, 2006, 11:52:57 AM »

Told ya!

Charon · « **Reply #21 on:** November 16, 2006, 12:59:06 PM »

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While I do agree, I believe that you are forgetting what "Fight" actually means.

LOL. That time has not yet arrived by a long shot... and when It does I may just run and hide somewhere

Crazy thoughts do cross your mind from time to time though, when crap like this assaults your rights. I'll still put my money on the Supreme Court first, which may take up the cause one of these days if the chicken**** NRA ever decides to force the issue through a lawsuit. I feel that the issue of the 2nd being a individual vs. collective right is solid (with a lot of academic support to back that up), but then you never know how it will play out until the final decision is rendered. I guess that's why the NRA does this incremental half-assed stuff (along with a suspicion that they like having the game to play generating a "higher" purpose for their existance beyond just a marksmanship and firearm education club).

Charon

lazs2 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 16, 2006, 02:20:15 PM »

I'm thinking we could own some southern ports and some north west ones.

lazs

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 16, 2006, 04:47:47 PM »

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I'll still put my money on the Supreme Court first, which may take up the cause one of these days if the chicken**** NRA ever decides to force the issue through a lawsuit.

The Supreme Court? The supreme court gets to pick and choose the cases they hear. In the past they turned down 2nd ammendment cases, why do you think it would be different now?

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Tell ya what laser, martyr yourself to the cause and we'll be right behind you.

I'm just waiting for them to encroach on me.

VOR · « **Reply #24 on:** November 16, 2006, 05:01:55 PM »

Of course.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 16, 2006, 05:17:25 PM »

If I act first, then I am the aggressor. I can't win any wars if I'm the person who started the fight.

VOR · « **Reply #26 on:** November 16, 2006, 05:41:59 PM »

Charon · « **Reply #27 on:** November 16, 2006, 06:01:30 PM »

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The Supreme Court? The supreme court gets to pick and choose the cases they hear. In the past they turned down 2nd ammendment cases, why do you think it would be different now?

The makeup has changed somewhat in recent years -- one thing I actually appreciate about the Bush administration (a relatively new appreciation, actually). The desire to avoid a ruling internally must be somewhat changed as well. Also, there has lacked an outside push or pressure to encourage a resolution. Only time will tell. I still feel that if push comes to shove, with today's court, the individual right position will win. I also think historical context fully supports this.

Charon

Charon · « **Reply #28 on:** November 16, 2006, 06:05:43 PM »

The problem with the "fight," is that eventually I fear my fellow citizens will dilute most of the bill of rights from the ground up (people both right and left, for different reasons but the same crappy result). And the question then becomes, who do you take up arms against? And, who will be standing beside you if revolution day coincides with the season premier of the latest American Idol. Chirp... Chirp...

Charon

Reschke · « **Reply #29 on:** November 16, 2006, 06:31:21 PM »

Did someone say SECESSION was the key.....

WELL BY GOD THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN!!!!!!

All you gun nuts and die hard Americans need to move somewhere south of the Mason Dixon line but don't go to Florida or Georgia. Those states are turning yankee faster than anywhere else.