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Offline bsdaddict

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« on: November 17, 2006, 10:25:34 AM »
this guy's a true patriot in my book...

http://www.mikenew.com/mnew8.28.06.html

I received a letter today, from Michael New. He was the only man in his battalion who refused to obey orders that instructed him to arrive for formation wearing the U.N. uniform, because he felt it contrary to his oath to uphold the US Constitution.

He was court martialed, and dishonorably discharged from the US Army. He has taken this case to the US Court of Appeals, and lost. Now the case is going to the Supreme Court.

He has stated that the discharge isn't what bothers him, but the fact that ALL US military personnel can be pressed in UN service, not just in place like Macedonia, but on US soil as well.

This will be an important case in the fight against one world government, and Michael's asking for help. You can make your contribution by mailing a check to.

Michael New Legal Defense Fund
P.O. Box 1344
Merrifield, VA 22116-9902
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Offline Airscrew

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2006, 10:58:38 AM »
nope, dont agree.   New is just whining.  

refused to obey orders that instructed him to arrive for formation wearing the U.N. uniform, because he felt it contrary to his oath to uphold the US Constitution.

ALL US military personnel can be pressed in UN service, not just in place like Macedonia, but on US soil as well.

What about WW1, WW2, Korea.   Several units were attached/assigned under similar conditions.   I didnt buy his arguement in 1995 and I dont buy it now.

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2006, 11:03:54 AM »
Mr New needs to read the oath again.

I, _____________________________ ______, do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed overme, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2006, 11:49:41 AM »
A patriot, hardly. A person who disobeyed a lawful order, certainly. He's made his choice now he wants to get out of the results.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2006, 12:44:06 PM »
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
this guy's a true patriot in my book...
He was court martialed, and dishonorably discharged from the US Army.  

He lucky all he got was a dishonorable discharge

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm

Article 90—Assaulting or willfully disobeying superior commissioned officer

(2) willfully disobeys a lawful command of his superior commissioned officer; shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, and if the offense is committed at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct.”

(a) Lawfulness of the order.

(i) Inference of lawfulness. An order requiring the performance of a military duty or act may be inferred to be lawful and it is disobeyed at the peril of the subordinate. This inference does not apply to a patently illegal order, such as one that directs the commission of a crime.


(iii) Relationship to military duty.
The order must relate to military duty, which includes all activities reasonably necessary to accomplish a military mission, or safeguard or promote the morale, discipline, and usefulness of members of a command and directly connected with the maintenance of good order in the service. The order may not, without such a valid military purpose, interfere with private rights or personal affairs. However, the dictates of a person’s conscience, religion, or personal philosophy cannot justify or excuse the disobedience of an otherwise lawful order. Disobedience of an order which has for its sole object the attainment of some private end, or which is given for the sole purpose of in-creasing the penalty for an offense which it is expected the accused may commit, is not punishable under this article.

Offline Hawklore

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2006, 03:42:19 PM »
Don't cry Mr.New, boo hoo!!





Being a UN soldier is dangerous, and may not exactly be 'what you want'.

GET OVER IT!

You swore to follow orders, you follow them..
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2006, 09:31:12 PM »
Although I wouldn't call him a "patriot" on the basis of this, I rather think he's got a point.  Thing is, nobody but him is willing to fall on their sword to make the point.  I don't think he's going to win, but if he was convinced that it was an unlawful order, then he has the obligation to disobey.  That is also codified in the UCMJ.

My oath is to follow lawful orders and to support/defend the constitution of the US.  I am also indoctrinated from day one to make my own determination on what is and is not a lawful order.

Personally, I think the order was probably lawful, but then again not every law is constitutional either.  If the president signs a law that says it's ok to torture prisoners, and I'm ordered to torture prisoners, you can bet your bellybutton I'm not going to follow that order because I am convinced that such an order is not legitimate nor lawful.  Yea I might go to jail, but part of being in the military is using your brain to determine what orders are and are not lawful.
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2006, 09:53:43 PM »
No support here either BSD. I read in the article that this has been going on for 11 years? Im sure now it is only an issue of gee, if I win look how much back pay I will get for 11 years. On the other hand, reinstate him and send him to Iraq as an infantryman. Nah, he's in it only for the money. Loser woks better for me than patriot. I think the true patriot would have shown up for formation with the uniform he was told to wear.
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« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2006, 09:59:20 PM »
I agree with Airscrew.
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« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2006, 11:24:10 PM »
maybe an ex-E-5 was all he could be