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Offline bj229r

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« on: November 20, 2006, 08:54:14 PM »
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I could understand if this poll was taken in Pakistan or somethin....



 
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At the annual convention of the Islamic Society of North America (a radical Islamic front group that has been the subject of numerous LGF posts), a survey was taken of 307 attendees on their attitudes toward America—with very disturbing results: Survey Conducted At 2006 ISNA Convention. (Hat tip: saywhat?)

    1. Are you a U.S. Citizen? (If no, then don’t fill out survey.)
    YES - 307
    NO - 0

    2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
    MUSLIM FIRST - 214
    AMERICAN FIRST - 4
    BOTH EQUALLY - 86
    UNDECIDED - 3

    3. Is the American government at war with the religion of Islam?
    YES - 208
    NO - 79
    UNDECIDED - 20

    4. Can a good Muslim be a good American?
    YES - 292
    NO - 11
    UNDECIDED - 4

    5. Did Muslims hijack planes and fly them into buildings on 9/11?
    YES - 117
    NO - 139
    UNDECIDED - 51

    6. Did the U.S. government have advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, and allow the attacks to occur?
    YES - 200
    NO - 70
    UNDECIDED - 37

    7. Did the U.S. government organize the 9/11 attacks?
    YES - 106
    NO - 151
    UNDECIDED - 50

    8. Are the tapes of Osama Bin Laden, claiming responsibility for the 9/11 attacks and threatening future attacks, real or fake?
    REAL - 126
    FAKE - 129
    UNDECIDED - 52

    9. Did Muslims commit the July 2005 train and bus bombings in London?
    YES - 140
    NO - 104
    UNDECIDED - 63

    10. The Canadian government says it stopped a plot by Canadian Muslims in June 2006 to attack targets in Canada. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?
    YES - 61
    NO - 202
    UNDECIDED - 44

    11. The British government says it stopped a plot by British Muslims in August 2006 to bomb planes flying to America. Do you believe there was a real plot by Muslims?
    YES - 66
    NO - 191
    UNDECIDED - 50

    12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?
    YES - 149
    NO - 109
    UNDECIDED - 49

    13. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American freedoms?
    YES - 17
    NO - 269
    UNDECIDED - 21

    14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
    YES - 228
    NO - 54
    UNDECIDED - 25

There’s more. Most of the respondents think our attack on Afghanistan after 9/11 was not justified.

    25. Was America justified in invading Afghanistan after 9/11?
    YES - 51
    NO - 248
    UNDECIDED - 8

And large percentages also believe Muslims have the right to commit violence against Americans, both overseas and in this country.

    26. Is violence by Muslims against American civilians acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
    YES - 23
    NO - 274
    UNDECIDED - 10

    27. Is violence by Muslims against the American military overseas acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
    YES - 134
    NO - 154
    UNDECIDED - 19

    28. Is violence by Muslims against the American military in the U.S. acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
    YES - 73
    NO - 211
    UNDECIDED - 23

    29. Is violence by Muslims against American government officials acceptable, in retaliation for the American government’s actions in the Muslim world?
    YES - 51
    NO - 231
    UNDECIDED - 25

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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2006, 08:59:06 PM »
not so surprising...

look at how the guilty/not guilty thing still plays out over the OJ Simpson verdict...

whites say: guilty

blacks say: not:rolleyes:

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2006, 09:00:25 PM »
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not so surprising...

look at how the guilty/not guilty thing still plays out over the OJ Simpson verdict...

whites say: guilty

blacks say: not:rolleyes:


Basically,  racists think that OJ was not guilty.

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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2006, 09:21:16 PM »
Ever notice how Democrats Troll everywhere?

Pack it up and take it to PETA  maybe they'll cry for you.

Sheesh,

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2006, 09:55:20 PM »
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The purpose of the survey was to better understand the views of American Muslims on issues relating to Islam, Muslims, and American national security. It is important to let Muslims articulate their varied opinions on these issues in order to encourage dialogue within the Muslim community and with the rest of American society.

However, this was NOT a scientific survey, because ISNA Convention attendees who visited the Muslims For A Safe America booth are not necessarily representative of the American Muslim community as a whole.


There's some interesting dialogue on their web site. It's worth reading. (Most of it anyway)

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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2006, 10:03:42 PM »
These are probably a pretty close reflection of the truth.

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13. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American freedoms?
YES - 17
NO - 269
UNDECIDED - 21

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES - 228
NO - 54
UNDECIDED - 25


Doesn't make it sane, just the truth. And quite a bit different than the fear mongers tales out of Washington.

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2006, 10:24:10 PM »
I'd rather have "fear monger's" in DC anyday of the week instead of "peace in our timer's".







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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2006, 11:52:04 PM »
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These are probably a pretty close reflection of the truth.
Doesn't make it sane, just the truth. And quite a bit different than the fear mongers tales out of Washington.


The poll was of American Muslims.  They're subject to the same propaganda as the rest of us are, to wit: it's America's fault.  The real truth is a little more complicated.  Bin Ladin and his Sunni/Wahabist ilk want to recreate the Muslim conquests of the 7th century and re-establish the Islamic Caliphate based on Shari'a law, or, to put it another way the "establishment of Allah's Rule on Earth".  The radicals believe they are entitled to reclaim all land that was conquered during the Muslim crusades because once an area is conquered by the Muslims it is given to them by Allah and is forever theirs by right.  Just in case you're not clear as to what this entails, they would be reclaiming all the land from Spain (Andalusia) to India...that's just to start.  The Shia side of the equation is driven to a very large degree by the desire for Iranian hegemony and essentially re-establishment of the Persian empire.  Of course that gameplan also includes Shari'a.

They like to place all the blame for conflict on the US and Israel which isn't much different than Hitler's portrayal of the Jews as the root of all evil to unite the German people in his "crusade" or the Japanese blaming WWII on the American embargo which, of course, was a direct result of Japanese fun and games in Manchuria.  There is no doubt that like Hitler and Tojo, Islamist leaders are using actions by the US as recruiting tools, that's the way war works.  I'm also sure that much of the Ummah probably do actually believe this is all about America and Israel.  Just look at the self-denial in the answers to questions in this survey.  It would have been an even more interesting survey had they asked questions related to Muslim conquest and what the "perfect" world would look like.

The reason the Islamists don't like us is 1) because we're standing in the way, 2) we represent moral and social values that are anethma to Islam.   As to 1, I'm proud that we're standing in their way.  As far as 2 is concerned, I'm shocked that Liberals, who love to espouse tolerance are so willing to tolerate such an intolerant religion.  I guess the thinking here is "at least they aren't Republicans."  Maybe those of you worried about "fear mongers" ought to read a little more than liberal blogs to get your info.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2006, 11:58:21 PM »
Oh come on...this survey is like asking members of PETA if they think hamburgers are good....the results are gonna be a *bit* skewed.

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 12:01:47 AM »
fearmongers beats fishmongers too (unless they are smelly fearmongers)

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 12:03:08 AM »
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Oh come on...this survey is like asking members of PETA if they think hamburgers are good....the results are gonna be a *bit* skewed.



LOL:aok
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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2006, 12:39:34 AM »
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Ever notice how Democrats Troll everywhere?

Pack it up and take it to PETA  maybe they'll cry for you.

Sheesh,

Mac


Hmmm... I'm looking at the posts above this and I can't find the Democrat.
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2006, 01:06:33 AM »
I don't like it asks if you're a Muslim first or an American first.

The whole separation of church and state has gotten lost somewhere and "American" in that survey is a religion.

You can be an American and a Muslim at the same time.

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2006, 03:14:56 AM »
I doubt you'd see many differences in survey of christians sayyyyyy on the bosnian conflict.

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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2006, 08:18:16 AM »
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I doubt you'd see many differences in survey of christians sayyyyyy on the bosnian conflict.


Most Americans know even less about the Bosnian conflict than they do about Islamists.
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