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Offline SFRT - Frenchy

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« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2006, 11:22:00 AM »
It's also Found On Road Dead.:rolleyes:
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« Reply #16 on: November 22, 2006, 11:22:04 AM »
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FORD:  First On Race Day

Also, it is "Fix or REPAIR Daily"


I changed it, fix and repair are redundant.

I guess the techs at ford missed that :D

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2006, 11:25:25 AM »
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It's also Found On Road Dead.:rolleyes:


I like:D

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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2006, 07:50:30 PM »
I never really gave safety a priority in my vehicle purchase.  I used common sense really, the smaller the car the less likely one would survive.  After my accident last September I have a higher priority on it.  But not has high as "fun factor" and "piss beet1e off with poor gas mileage" factor.  Those 2 = fun!!!





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« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2006, 07:59:16 PM »
You know why Chevy has the slogan "Like a rock?"


Once they stop rolling, they never go again
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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2006, 08:09:31 PM »
Best I've heard about F.O.R.D. is from a ford wrench.

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« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2006, 08:49:00 PM »
Just another example of an industry being told how to perform its function by insurance companies.  They tell doctors how to treat patients, manufacturers how to build their products, etc., etc.  They'll be telling you how to have sex in 10 years, mark my words...

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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2006, 04:27:20 PM »
US cars = crap.

Sticking with my 1998 Honda. :)

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« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2006, 04:50:41 PM »
your 98 honda was built in Ohio.

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« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2006, 05:36:23 PM »
Pretty soon the big 3 will have more pensioners than customers....unless they start making some decent cars people want to own.

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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2006, 06:34:51 PM »
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I figure that you are better off simply learning how to drive so that you don't wreck cars.

lazs


Indeed. I taught my kids how to drive in poor conditions by letting them practice skid control in a snow-covered parking lot. Stability Control is for the worst-case driver who has no clue how to drive their vehicle out of trouble....

The first thing road testers look for when testing modern cars is the ESP off switch. It's like flying AH2 with stall limiter on....

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« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2006, 06:42:53 PM »
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Pretty soon the big 3 will have more pensioners than customers....unless they start making some decent cars people want to own.


chrysler and cadilac seem to be doing pretty good with the c-rap set...

jeeps are still tops for offroading...

ford fleet sells huge amounts of 4x4 F-150s to the oild industry...

and ive seen more american made minivans around construction sites than foreign made trucks.

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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2006, 03:21:46 AM »
I bet that if the stability control thingy was standard on all american cars but not foreign cars then the thread would be very different. :D

Stabilty control is even for those who are not "worst-case drivers". You make it sound like a nanny system that makes poor drivers. The rather old age group that lives in the oclub with their deteriorating reflexes and bodily functions ( yeah yeah.. you are all fighter pilots with 20/20 everything and so on) should embrace it. ;)

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2006, 03:43:43 AM »
Widewing,

I disagree strongly about your statement that stability control is for worst-case drivers.  I was taught to drive by a CHP pursuit driver, learned skid control using the snowy parking lot method just like you say, race my firebird in SCCA autocross competition, and I STILL had my butt saved by my firebird's traction control.  I was driving at night, and it was snowing very lightly.  The snow was very dry and the wind was blowing it off the road, so conditions were not all that bad really.  Then I hit a patch of ice and the car immediately started to spin.

The traction control immediately kicked in.  The gas pedal bump kicked my foot off the gas, retarded the ignition, and the TCS and ABS systems applied the brakes to individual wheels as necessary to get the car straightened out again.  It was over in less than a second.  There is NO WAY I could have reacted that quickly and I'm convinced that I would have spun and wrecked if the TCS system hadn't saved my butt that night.

Before you go thinking "that wouldn't have happened to me 'cause I'm a better driver", I was in my mid-20s, was a young F-15 fighter pilot fresh out of training that enhances spatial orientation, reflexes and hand-eye coordination, had been racing that car for a while, and I had arguably better reflexes and coordination than around 99% of the population.  It wouldn't have made a difference.  It happened too fast.  Any speed over 20 mph would have had the same results, but traffic was averaging about 55 at the time and the 50 mph I was going seemed rather slow for the predominant conditions.

I drove another 8 hours that night, and didn't encounter another icy patch of road, so my point is that the stability control is there to help out in unexpected situations just as much as it is to save incompetent drivers.
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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2006, 04:34:13 AM »
Given the horsepower at the rear wheels and the solid rear axle our f-body's have, I am very glad that ASR is standard on our cars.  There are times, such as eagl just explained, where no matter how much Shumacher or Earnhardt-like mad skillz can't save your *** when you get into trouble.  I learned that the hard way with my '65 GTO.  Yes, it pays to be a driver that stays ontop of things.  Some things just can't be anticipated.

After 2 months with the Z, eagl, I can't believe the difference over my '96 despite the engine difference.  In terms of fit, finish, ergonomics, and HVAC design changes, it's almost night and day.  



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