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Offline Guppy35

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« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2006, 12:14:35 PM »
Went wandering about in a G-14 for a bit yesterday.  Again held my own in a couple of good fights.  I did die in it, but I didn't feel bad as it was 2 190s and a K4 with alt that mugged me.  Got one of em to auger before I died.

Gotta admit that the 'clank' from the slats deploying was a bit disconcerting at first.  Couldn't figure out what that heck it was :)

Then I went up in the G2 into a horde that was working on a base.  Got into a turn fight with a Spit 8 and was doing fine until I got picked by a D9 blowing through.

Having never flown a real 109 I can't say if they were exactly right or not, but in terms of competing in the AH arenas, the 109s seemed to do what they need to and then some.
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« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2006, 01:26:31 PM »
worry not... JoLLY has it all under control!


seriously though, i flew for about 6 months back in aw3d and really loved the 109 back then. i didnt give it much of a go in AHII until just this past week. some of you have IMO a ridiculous amount of technical knowledge about the real aircraft. it's great but most of the info is beyond me. could someone give me a quick break down between the ingame versions of the 109? i've flown every one so far, and seem to like the F, the g2, and the g6 the most. the hardest trouble i'm having is actually getting the kill. I've busted up tons of planes so far, but I always end up getting picked or outrun b4 they go down. i'm sure using the underwing 20mm pck would help but would also hurt performance.

any suggestions, things i should know, etc. etc?


i have converg set at 275 for all models.
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« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2006, 02:00:10 PM »
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by Jager...which def implies they are broke.

Now then wrag...please show me where I said anything about you stating that?
 
I didnt.  That post was more in response to another poster...which seemed to get Jagers post and your mixed together.

What were you saying about assuming?

edit...the G14 is not same as G10...HTC has stated in a much older thread now, that the K4 is same as G10(minus loadout options).  Whoever told you otherwise was mistaken.


I'm fully aware of what has been stated.  I'm showing, if you follow the links posted that it ain't necassarialy<<< spelling> so.  Perhaps when the G14 we have was modeled it was.  But the current preformance IMHO doesn't SEEM to match what was reported for the G10.

Th information posted on the link and the books i've read say the G10 and the G14 were NOT the same planes.  Repeatedly the G14 is refered to as the SLOWER ground support aircraft.

HEY IMHO the G14 is correctly modeled.  Bleeds E like no other 109 LOL.  With all the bulges n such it well should.

So if anyone things I'm claiming anything is broke or wrong I must say NOPE not saying that at all.

IMHO the G6 and the G14 are very nearly the same plane.

I've repeatedly said I can NOT get our G14 to do 408 mph in level flight wep on.  Can you?  It's reported online and in the book I have 408 was top speed.

The G10 i'm requesting IS NOT our old G10.  Although towards the end of G10 production it is reported it was doing very nearly the same speed as the K4.

I guess what I really want is a 20mm hub cannon option added.  The K4 when it 1st came out had the 20mm hub cannon.  After trials the 30mm was what it came equiped with.

I really DON'T understand why the 20mm gonds were removed form the F4?  Enough of those were produced that IMHO it should be an option.

So for anyone THINKING I am saying the 109s are broken or wrong NOPE not what I'm saying at all.

The LW ammo may need some tweaking though.  The 20mm sure son't seem to hit very hard.  Least not on my FE.
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« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2006, 02:13:06 PM »
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The top speed differs only 3mph on the deck. No way to catch him. The 109K4's speed grows over the P51D steadily as the alt climbs, but on the deck they're nearly the same. Go up so much as even a few K and you should be able to catch them.



At least give a nod to Dok Gonzo's site  http://www.gonzoville.com/charts/  where those charts came from.  He and his contributors put a lot of work into collecting the data going into that site.

That said, I think those charts and databases were compiled over two version releases ago, so any changes made to the plane set since then would not be indicated.  And, although they are a great resource, and I refer to them often, they were compiled by human beings in trials, not taken from attributes in the game code, AFAIK.  So, some degree of error is going to be present.

Actually, I don't think ANY AHII websites are really current right now.  Sodas, Hammer's, Dok's, probably not even THIS site's data on planesets..... which is a shame.  But, that kind of detail in a game has always been a labor of love... so where's the love?!
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« Reply #49 on: November 29, 2006, 02:57:26 PM »
wrag....the 109K4 is modeled after the old G10, minus the 20mm option and gunpods iirc.  The G14 is an add on so to speak from the previous 109 selection.  It is very similar to the G6...it has 30mm option and better wep.  Dont believe anyone in this thread is trying to tell you the G14 is the old G10.  
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the books i've read say the G10 and the G14 were NOT the same planes

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the G6 and the G14 are very nearly the same plane

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towards the end of G10 production it is reported it was doing very nearly the same speed as the K4.


what we had(G10)and now got(K4).
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« Reply #50 on: November 29, 2006, 03:06:01 PM »
Seriously perk the k4 killnU is a monster in it. Who needs to run anyway?
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« Reply #51 on: November 29, 2006, 03:16:08 PM »
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Further a couple of test pilots?  recently flew a G10 against a pony D.  They reported the G10 could OUT TURN the pony.  The story is in this link

http://www.flightjournal.com/fj/store/viewissue.asp?issueid=gerf

You may have to purchase the book to read the article.  It also has articles on  other LW aircraft.  Interestingly the F6F was compared to a 190.  The results are interesting.


Cool!  I ordered a copy just now.  Thanks for the recommendation.
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« Reply #52 on: November 29, 2006, 04:49:02 PM »
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So for anyone THINKING I am saying the 109s are broken or wrong NOPE not what I'm saying at all.


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The 109's are porked AGAIN.


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The G14 was known as the Super Bulge with a top speed of 408. Which BTW I can't get out of our G14.


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There are manuvers that the 109 should be able to do, but since AHII was implemented the elevator down authority has been much poorer then in AHI.


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I've also noticed the LW ammo SEEMS to be lacking a mine shell?


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The LW ammo has done poorly for about the last 3 months maybe more.


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Further I am unable to get our G14 to do 408 mph, which was it's reported top speed.


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When I fire a deflections shot at anything over 100 yds the round goes somewhere wierd


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I'm also requesting that E retention on some planes be checked



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So for anyone THINKING I am saying the 109s are broken or wrong NOPE not what I'm saying at all.
The LW ammo may need some tweaking though. The 20mm sure son't seem to hit very hard. Least not on my FE.
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« Reply #53 on: November 29, 2006, 04:51:04 PM »
Hub  :rofl :rofl
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« Reply #54 on: November 29, 2006, 05:01:57 PM »
LOL Hub, just waiting for someone to put those together.

Just wait for the semantic dancing....

ie...."saying it's porked is NOT saying it's broken" ;)
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« Reply #55 on: November 29, 2006, 05:47:53 PM »
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30mm in AH requires a certain amount of natural ability, a whole hell of a lot of practice, and some luck. Dead 6 shots were always hardest for me. I don't know if things have changed since the summer, but the 109's were FAR superior to what we used to have after the flap deployment speed was raised. I was thoroughly beating the snot out of everything short of a hurricane fighting under 170mph.

I'd hazard a guess and say the problem is you, not the e-planes.
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« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2006, 03:33:26 AM »
KillnU..............

If my understanding is correct we've always had a K4.  The G10 was basically a K4 but was called a G10 for the 20mm hub and underwing gondola options.
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« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2006, 03:37:02 AM »
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Porked and BROKE are 2 different things.

I also said IMHO the G14 is correctly modeled.

Selective reposting?
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« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2006, 03:44:02 AM »
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LOL Hub, just waiting for someone to put those together.

Just wait for the semantic dancing....

ie...."saying it's porked is NOT saying it's broken" ;)


So to you porked and broken are the same?

Care to Define the terms as you see them?

HMM where does the term porked come from?

Little note of interest where did the term PUNK come from?  And what was it's original meaning?  I bring it up because many don't seem to know.  IIRC it was once a very serious insult.

I'm thinkin porked has become such a idiom in that it has changed from it's original meaning.

Ahh well don't really matter I guess.
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« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2006, 03:50:46 AM »
How about bringing back the 109G-10?

109G-10 would be a nice filler gap between the performance of 109G-14 and 109K-4.

109G-14 had max speed of 408 mph
109G-10 had max speed of 428 mph
109K-4 had max speed of 452 mph


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